During a time of uncertainties, people seek additional ways to boost their immune system. I speak to kambo practitioner, Veronica Gutierrez to share her personal experience with this healing art.

We talked about:

  • The mechanics and application of Kambo
  • How she trusts her feelings and emotion to make better decisions
  • The direct relationship to intensity and growth
  • What a hard reset can do for creativity, open-mindedness, openheartedness
  • Qualities of divine messengers
  • Difference between feeling good from eating ice cream or from volunteering
  • Selection criteria of her teachers

QUOTABLE QUOTES

Feeling my own love is the greatest feeling in the world

Many people can deliver messages to you but there are some whose message resonates with your heart

Fill your cup up so much that others feel your love without you saying anything

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TRANSCRIPT BY AI

[00:00:00] CK LIN: [00:00:00] welcome noble warrior. I’m really excited today to have my friend Veronica Gutierrez here with us. Veronica has a dear friend, and she is a kambo practitioner.

[00:00:11] welcome to the show, Veronica.

[00:00:12] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:00:12] Thank you. Grateful for inviting me.

[00:00:17] CK LIN: [00:00:17] So why don’t we actually start off by sharing with us what is kambo?

[00:00:22]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:00:22] yeah.Kambo actually is accretion from the Phyllomedusa bicolor frog. That’s in the Amazon. In Peru.

[00:00:32] CK LIN: [00:00:32] Okay. So what does it so in a time when a lot of people. Are searching for different ways for health and wellness. What about kambo is a unique offering to the world of health and wellness?

[00:00:50]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:00:50] Well, I guess I will speak for myself. what kambo has done for me and, about kambo and specifically is the, just the secretion from the. The actual [00:01:00] frog itself.

[00:01:01]and, for me it’s just, I’m actually just changed my life completely, to another level of, all my practices, all my training. it helped me to really detox from, a deep, deep, like, almost like to every organ.   we carry all our emotions and, but just really helping me to detox energetically.

[00:01:20] And, Oh through purging, and in many ways, the three tears through sweating, and helping me to shift to another way of being bringing more clarity to my life.

[00:01:31]CK LIN: [00:01:31] what was your life before kambo? describe it for us. That way people can have a visceral understanding of what it did for you.

[00:01:38] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:01:38] Okay. Maybe I’ll explain that a little bit of the story that I shared. Earlier with the, about my job. so I was in the corporate world for 16 years, and, I realized I kept attracting or I kept vibrating. almost like, not negative people, but people that were sick, very, very sick, toxic in there. All my bosses , and my last boss, [00:02:00] who was an alcoholic for a very, very, very, very ill and  he kept drinking, going to work.

[00:02:05] And. Even though I try to be as positive as I wanted to share what I, I’ve learned  it was a, it was almost really hard to deliver anything. So energetically, his energy almost like made me energetically sick.

[00:02:20] So I had a, I gave my three months notice and, and I thought, well, I heard about kambo

[00:02:26] CK LIN: [00:02:26] energetically sick means you just don’t feel good around.

[00:02:29] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:02:29] Yeah. It’s almost like you want to share something good, but regardless of how good you want to share it, it’s just, it’s just not good for them because of maybe what they’re dealing with, their suffering and they just don’t want to hear anything else or they feel maybe there’s nothing that can benefit them where they’re at.

[00:02:47] CK LIN: [00:02:47] As in like, you encounter resistance.

[00:02:49]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:02:49] Yeah. Some resistance. and, so then I felt, well, I heard about kambo and that it helps to clearer energetically and just purify body, mind, and [00:03:00] spirit. So I went to a kambo, like a gathering, a ceremony, but I had already resigned three months at my job and I went to the ceremony and my, actual intention was, since my father is no longer here, and my father was an alcoholic, I almost felt like I was attracting my father.

[00:03:19] In my life, even though my father, he was a beautiful human being. But of course, when you’re under the influence of, any negative, like, alcohol or any drug, you can become another person. And, so I asked if I can clear that line through me since I’m his child and I have all the cells and DNA, if I can purify that energy through my body, and she said, sure, why not?

[00:03:43] And I, and so then after that. That was my intention. I felt I released very deeply everything and that I need to, through tears, through purging. And when I was done, the next day I went to work and I’m my boss after 44 years of, of working [00:04:00] at this place, that was his life. and he comes up to me and he’s like, I need to talk to you.

[00:04:05] And I’m like, about what I, let’s go outside so we’re not outside. And the beautiful thing is like he put his hands together and he just bowed down to me and he’s just like any other American. He doesn’t know anything about spirituality, but I was like, what are you doing?

[00:04:19] CK LIN: [00:04:19] And first time ever he did that to you.

[00:04:21] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:04:21] Yeah. Or any kind of posture of like something good like, Oh, what’s going on here? And then you just bought it and said, I just want to thank you for everything you’ve done and I just want to let you know that I appreciate you and I want to let you know that I, I resigned today and I will. and in my heart I was like, what?

[00:04:38] But at that moment, I really, I could hear my father say it’s done. Like I heard his voice say it’s done.  but we’re still, we’re human, right? We have that like, almost like little grain of doubt. Like if that really, how is this really like what’s happening right now? And to make it like really valid that this is what.

[00:04:59] What [00:05:00] happened is like two hours later, my best friend’s boyfriend texts me after me and her were best friends for many, many years. But , going through his stuff, he didn’t want us to be friends and, kinda like separated our friendship. I honored that and I stepped back and, he texted me that day towards after my boss said that, and he’s just like, I just wanna thank you for everything that you’ve done.

[00:05:23] And I also want to apologize for. What I’ve done  to your friendship and, and I thought, wow, this is big validation that on that level and on a spiritual level, or my father’s and I hear that, these things can, can happen and purify.

[00:05:39]CK LIN: [00:05:39] the two events, two synchronicities happen immediately after your Campbell ceremony.

[00:05:45] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:05:45] Exactly. Okay. Yeah. Got it. So it’s not just from. From your personal experience. It’s not just if he’s a logical thing in detoxing, but also is there’s a psycho spiritual aspect of it as well.

[00:05:57] CK LIN: [00:05:57] And then that’s what made you a [00:06:00] leaver.

[00:06:00] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:06:00] Yeah, exactly. And that’s why I chose like, how can I, how can I deliver this, for fouond, kambo people, you know?

[00:06:07] CK LIN: [00:06:07] So did that happen that particular day? It was like a light switch can turn off.

[00:06:11] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:06:11] Okay. This is something I wanted. Yes, yes. Yeah. And that was kind of already thinking about it. when I heard about kambo and I researched about it and saw what the benefits , that it does. And and then after that experience I was like, Hmm, this is good.

[00:06:28] This is really good.

[00:06:29] CK LIN: [00:06:29] So I’ve experienced kambo as well. I’ve experienced  it from you, thank you. And on the outside for when I first heard about it. It has the reputation of there’s no way to minster words here. It’s quite violent.

[00:06:46] All right. The kambo experience is very intense. So, so at first I was a little intimidated even just by the verbal description of what a kambo ceremony looks like. [00:07:00] And then then actually having gone through it myself, I was like, Oh, this is really, I like it for its intensity that it brings me. Not so much the physiological aspect of it, but more so the psychological aspect of it.

[00:07:15] personally, I like Spartan race. I like CrossFit. I like boxing, and I like to lean into my discomfort. I like to lean into my edge. So kambo fits right into that archetype, right? That warrior archetype.

[00:07:30] So I’m curious to know from your point of view, from your personal experience, again. What does it actually do?

[00:07:38] So describe it for us so that way people can get a little bit of taste of why go through this very intense experience and what’s the potential payoff? And again, speaking from your personal,

[00:07:53]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:07:53] that’s a good question. I think the intensity of it is actually, like any. Any [00:08:00] training that people do, like martial arts or yoga, any kind of CrossFit.

[00:08:05]when you go through an intense part of like, let’s say you’re going to hold your arms like for five minutes like this, like for the first minute, it may be a little bit difficult. You start to feel your, your arm. Oh yeah. You start to feel your arm, your elbow, and you start to feel all these discomforts and pain.

[00:08:25] So at that point, your brain is registering, Oh, I have pain right here., but if you didn’t go through any discomfort, you wouldn’t know what the next level of the second minute or the fifth minute or, or the 10th minute of holding a posture of any sort. it’s almost like you’re, going through a certain pain or level, or when you’re lifting weights.

[00:08:46] So I can only do 10. Now I’m doing 200. , there’s this intensity of, of, Almost like a, a strength that is coming from within, like, Oh, now my muscles have grown and I can do a little bit more. but if it’s almost like, [00:09:00] if you’re just comfortable, like just in life, if you’re just comfortable, there’s going to be no change.

[00:09:05] Everything’s gonna stay the same. but when you meet a discomfort that’s most, Like, how did you say V violently? That’s a good way to intense intensity. I like . That’s a very good description, but it’s almost like a very  tense , and who wants to go through anything intense. but I think once we meet that in cross that, it’s almost like a fear or not support in our life.

[00:09:29] Like, I, you know what? I can only do this much or I can only go this much. But if you go just a little bit more, you didn’t know that you can go that much. so it’s almost like once you go through that intensity, then  what it feels like to feel, Oh, I did it, or I feel much lighter. Oh, I didn’t know it was carrying so much, and now I feel great.

[00:09:52] Amazing. And then you do it again, and there’s, it’s, it’s a tense, intense again, but in a different, in a different way.

[00:09:59] CK LIN: [00:09:59] So pause on that [00:10:00] for a moment. Yeah. so my friend, she said she helps women, pregnant woman to go through, to describe they’re pregnant or whether their childbirth experience. So she said that one, some woman would say there was a lot of pain and someone would say that’s a lot of in, physical sensations.  You see a distinction here so that they don’t actually describe, interpret that as pain. They just describe it as. Sensations. Yeah. So, regarding kambo, would you say, so number one is definitely intense. So is it for everyone or just for people that likes that seeking that intensity? True for the spiritual benefit?

[00:10:44] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:10:44] Yeah. It’s actually not for everybody. some people may want to as much, as their heart desires, but there’s a Contra indications that we have to follow. Yeah. So making sure that they’re safe and that there’s no like [00:11:00] protocol, like they have any heart issues or, they’ve had any strokes or any kind of like, surgeries. , so that’s really important.

[00:11:08] That’s why the communication with  the client, is very, you know. They need to inform us what they’re going through and what’s their like , almost like their, their background of like their ailments or ailments or. Anything that they’ve had, and once in share that, then I can determine yes or no.

[00:11:24] CK LIN: [00:11:24] Is the Contra  indicators purely physical or there are some psychological things,

[00:11:31] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:11:31] psychological, mental, like, like schizophrenia or things like that, or

[00:11:36] CK LIN: [00:11:36] why is that cause to me it’s kambos in my mind. It’s not a psychedelic is it has nothing to do with the mind. It’s purely physical. So why, why the.

[00:11:46]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:11:46] if you have a group of people and then some psychotic actions may come out, then you have to make sure how to take care of the person.

[00:11:54]CK LIN: [00:11:54] I see. Got it.

[00:11:55] And then just for the safety of others as well. So let me [00:12:00] interpret what you’re saying here.

[00:12:00] Yeah. And so even though it’s physical. The physicality of it may may trigger some psychological effect. And for the sake of the container that you hold for the group as well as for the individual, you choose not to touch that part of it. Is that an accurate way to not touch that part of it,

[00:12:22] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:12:22] but just, that’s why it’s important to, if they did tell me, I would say I cannot.

[00:12:27] I cannot serve at that point, just for the safety of others because, it does open up your nervous system and it may trigger some things in the brain, activated more aggressively, or things may come out. And, my most important thing is safety for others and the person themselves. So, yeah.

[00:12:46] CK LIN: [00:12:46] So a lot of people, when I was younger, I, you would think the body, the mind, the heart, and the spirit. They’re all separate.

[00:12:56] My body just my body has nothing to do with my mind has nothing to do with [00:13:00] my emotions and what is the spirit thing and it doesn’t even exist.

[00:13:03] That wasn’t when I was younger, but at the more the older I get, the more I study, the more I practice more embody all of it. Ultimately I get it’s super position on top of each other. There is no separation of the mind, the mind, the heart, and the spirit. It literally is it. When you do something, it triggers everything else. T

[00:13:24] there’s a quote by Gandhi , watch your thoughts, becomes your words, watch your words, just do action. Watch your actions. And ultimately behavior behaviors about habit habits become your destiny, right?

[00:13:38] But at the same, so that implies a linear progression from thoughts to destiny. In my mind, it actually is a circular thing.  your destiny also, it goes upwards too. So isn’t that as linear direction? It’s a circular thing in this superposition on top of each other.

[00:13:57] So I think that illustrates really good point of what you [00:14:00] talked about. When you are, you consider it people with psychological conditions in certain uncoupled. Okay? So that’s the some qualifications that you, you take, when you look at people who are seeking this, so what’s the benefit. What’s benefit.

[00:14:18] Yeah. So describe a little bit of, again, from your personal point of view, the benefits that you experience, in more vivid details, so that way people can get a taste of like, Oh, okay, this may be for me, in addition to the peak experience, what kind of benefits could I get or that you’ve seen?

[00:14:36] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:14:36] Yeah, it’s good for like, inflammation, people that have inflammation or, like candida in their gut.

[00:14:42]sometimes we carry a lot of bacteria in our gut, so it, it helps to purify the intestinal tract so everything can be released. and, any like joint pains or aches and pains in the body, then it helps to kind of release, some of those aches and pains.  [00:15:00] so any other. In addition to the physiological aspect of it.

[00:15:06] CK LIN: [00:15:06] Any other, cause you talked about detoxification and that’s actually something that I haven’t quite explore personally cause I’m a pretty healthy person. And fortunately that I don’t really quite feel the benefits of pacification per se. So talk a little bit more about that.

[00:15:25] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:15:25] The detoxification can be on many levels.

[00:15:27] So, our thoughts create emotions. And our emotion creates some, it’s almost like a vibration that flows to our internal organs. We cannot see energy, but we can feel it. So when you have a certain, a certain thought, it triggers an emotion. These emotions are connected to almost every internal organ.

[00:15:48] So like, let’s talk about the, the lungs. The lungs carry the emotion of sadness and grief. So if you, I don’t know if you’ve probably experienced a lot of, like. [00:16:00] Mucus when you cry, there’s water. So a lot of water related things. a lot of , you get a lot of mucus because your lungs are, are, are connected to sadness and grief.

[00:16:10] Cause when you cry, it’s, it’s almost like your, your chest is hurting. So energetically we can hold these kind of, vibrations or energy in our, in our lungs are, it’s almost like stagnant energy. So when you take kambo, it helps to like detoxify these energy, like centers,  in your body or your organs.

[00:16:32]that way you can purify in clearer those areas. So it can be detoxing. Also, like in, in the, in our mind, for myself and as an experience experiencing, it brings more clarity. So for me, if I have a foggy, foggy  thinking or I’m not clear, or,  my creative side cannot come out.

[00:16:53]when I do kambo, I feel it, it almost detoxifies all that, that stagnant energy that [00:17:00] I was carrying that I, I couldn’t break through. But when that is clear, then it’s almost like the channels. Okay. Now it’s more clear for me to paint or to deliver what I need to deliver.

[00:17:10]and also in ourselves just helping to purify the body, but especially like the gut.  we carry a lot of, this is our second chakra. And, we carry a lot of like, emotion here. So sometimes if you have like, IBS or  any bowel syndrome, it’s because our gut is tidying up or everything’s tidying it up and then the circulation can not flow well.

[00:17:33]but through kambo, it helps to relax everything so you can purify and, you toxify your, your gut.

[00:17:41] CK LIN: [00:17:41] The way I see it, for me personally, energetic, spiritual, emotional, physical, as we talked about earlier, they’re all on top of each other, right?

[00:17:53] So in my mind, this is a, or the engineering term is forcing function. Essentially. It’s, think [00:18:00] of a computer. This is a hard reset. You essentially just get everything out by or violently very intensely, and then whatever benefits you get, because now you have more space physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, energetically, perhaps. Right? Again, it depends on your personal belief that I won’t debate with whoever’s listening but just imagine now you essentially decluttering all of the things that that’s there in through a very intense experience. And from that. That internal spaciousness that you have, then more things can come in physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Energetic. Exactly. Is that a good way to,

[00:18:39] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:18:39] it’s almost kind of like a lot of people have heard of like shadows or the shadow worker and all that.

[00:18:44] So when you release this, it’s almost like our, it’s our negative thoughts are negative emotions. and when you let go of that, then there’s opportunity for love to come in and joy to come in happiness to come in. And it actually is already resides within all of us. We [00:19:00] just got  clear that stuff up.

[00:19:02] CK LIN: [00:19:02] So  let’s talk about joy and love and all that for a moment. You are someone that I know for a few years who embodies  authenticity and compassion for others. So let’s talk about. Were you always this way or was there a journey that you took on to, to, to be the person that you are today?

[00:19:33]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:19:33] Yeah. I wasn’t always like this.

[00:19:37] I think it was until I was 16. I was a little rebel kid, you know? And and, and it’s funny because some people are like, Oh, your parents. But. It had nothing to do with my, like my mom or dad. They were really good. individuals are very loving and caring. my father was an alcoholic and energetic.

[00:19:56] They, I did feel that did affect , because you’ve learned from your parents, [00:20:00] but I did become an alcoholic. I was very young. I think I was like maybe 14, , go to junior high and in drink in the bathroom just

[00:20:10]CK LIN: [00:20:10] by yourself?

[00:20:11] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:20:11] By myself, I didn’t even know buddy to drink with. It became a thing that I, I, it’s not like, it’s almost like you teach someone something that knowing any, so you’re just doing it , so someone’s doing it.

[00:20:24] So  especially a figure that  you love drinking is good. So then it’s, it almost became like something that I should do to, yeah. And so then I would take bottles too. And it wasn’t like beer. It was like. Straight liquor, like whiskey and things like that.

[00:20:39] And I would be really drunk in school. And, and, and then from there of course when you drink, you’re, you become another person. You become very violent

[00:20:47] CK LIN: [00:20:47] hold oon on one second.

[00:20:49] So were you in pain that this was a way to numb?

[00:20:53] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:20:53] Now knowing at this point now knowing is it, of course, alcohol is a, a [00:21:00] way to numb everything.

[00:21:01] So. Not knowing that I did have pain. I think that’s why I’m, I was probably drinking also, and then also following the steps of what I see.

[00:21:11] CK LIN: [00:21:11] I see. So you had a role model doing this, and then, and then you essentially just copied the role model.

[00:21:17] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:21:17] Yeah. It’s almost like you’re, you have this chain and  until you know what’s right or you know, whatever.

[00:21:23] Then you can break it or you can either hold it onto the next, in the next generation. but I went to  juvenile hall just because I became very violent. I would fight all the time. And, and I think that was me releasing my, my pain through, through anger. I think until eventually when I was in juvenile hall, they had to lock me up in a, like a boys unit.

[00:21:46] 30 days. I cannot like. Interact with any human being. Cause I was very destructive. I was very, disruptive to everything and so they could, they couldn’t even manage this individual that was [00:22:00] actually in pain. but they saw all this person’s dangerous  kind of thing. And so at that point, when I was in this, isolation, my mom brought me a book.

[00:22:12]It was by Lester Levinston, I actually forgot the name of the book, but it was one of his first books. He owned a pseudo, he was, the starter of Sedona method and yeah, and, and that’s the only book that they let my mom pass through. Cause any other spiritual book that she tried to pass through, they said that I cannot have that book because.

[00:22:33] They thought that I could be calm, like someone that can overcome in an escape or something and almost like thinking now I’m like, really? Like they but genius. Yeah. And they’re like, Oh, but they will let me have it. Books are Stephen King books, which can be very destructive books very  more negative, positive.

[00:22:55] It amplifies the shadow.

[00:22:57] CK LIN: [00:22:57] Yeah. Amplifies your imagination.

[00:23:01] [00:23:00] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:23:01] Yeah. It’s really fascinating. They’re very intelligent. How to keep people in jail. So they let one book pass by and, and now is it by Lester Eleven’s then I was the awakening moment. Yeah. That was because I did read the book and at that point I felt like something shifted.

[00:23:21] Like my attitude shifted, , some things subsided inside my heart that it, I felt I felt something different. Yeah. and at that point when I got out,  I started taking on the steam a lot. so pause spurs a woman. So after that awakening moment, did the anger, the fighting persist or that stopped at that point?

[00:23:44] When I left there, it’s kind of subsided. I didn’t like want to all this fighter it was more like something’s changing. I knew it too, because like I started to like dress differently and, and like I felt like, Oh, I guess I want to change or  something, but [00:24:00] I didn’t know that? and then I think with, with acid, that was like the main thing that really, really like kind of shift me to another state of like, you don’t always have to be angry.

[00:24:10] You don’t always have to, you have to figure out why you’re angry and things like that too. To know that happiness already resided inside of me. Did you do that by yourself? Got recreationally ammonia way with someone else? I would do it by myself or with my friends and not ceremony because I was yelling.

[00:24:28] I was still like 16, 17, and we’re just  sharing it with, I met with, with people and, and out. And I feel at that point that that’s where I found my, my nature, happiness in just dawned upon you. And again, right, because the startup, this part of the conversation is who you are today and who you were before.

[00:24:49] CK LIN: [00:24:49] So was there a light switch  moment where you were violent, to another mooment of being  loving and compassionate.

[00:24:56] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:24:56] Oh, it was in one of my graduate process. It was like a gradual process. It’s [00:25:00] like almost like you’re on one step and then, Oh, okay, this is different. This feels good. Oh, then let me try this step. Oh, this feels even better.

[00:25:08] and so I think it was like very gradual, but like, it’s almost like a awakening like that. A very slow process. Like almost like a turtle, just walking very slowly. Oh, this feels good. This feels better. Oh, you know it. And that’s how, for me in the process.

[00:25:25] CK LIN: [00:25:25] Hm. So one thing I, again, little diversion is  that I do here.

[00:25:31]I love transformational work. I also look at integration. A lot of people are seeking that silver bullet. My life was shit. And now some of bullet life is awesome and want that. That’s what the human mind, the egoic mind wants. And at the same time also just like working out, just like good nutrition. In my mind, [00:26:00] it’s about the daily disciplines afterwards, right?

[00:26:05] You can’t just do one good meal and say, ta-da, 50 pounds lighter. You just did some work that even though that you go with my wants then. So I’m curious to know from your point of view what. Were you intentional about cultivating those loving and compassion and this empathy, or is it accidentally just like, Oh, this feels good?

[00:26:25] Let me just continuing to do that. Is it accidentally?

[00:26:29] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:26:29] Yeah. Not that it was accidentally. I think everything is, is a purpose, alignment with, every human beings, from God like our purpose of where we need to be at a certain point and to learn the lessons that we need to learn. so I feel like.

[00:26:43] Every step is just a step that I had to take to experience and to learn and to grow. and to a point where I did feel the love that already resided within, within myself, but it took time to uncover it  through training, [00:27:00] through, different things. But the more that I’ve got to feel my own love is when, as I, this is the most beautiful feeling that.

[00:27:10] Anyone can at wa that I could ever feel, you know? And, do you know that there’s more than, there’s more inside of me that I never got to look at or get to, got to see,. so I feel it’s just, like it’s just the destiny of where I need to go and I’m just, now I’m, I’m, I’m being aware, like these are the steps that I need to go to, like to grow myself.

[00:27:32]CK LIN: [00:27:32] was it more of a self exploration.

[00:27:35] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:27:35] I didn’t explore anything.

[00:27:38] CK LIN: [00:27:38] Just literally, it feels good. Let me continue it. Let me continue it. Yeah, it was good letting, yeah.

[00:27:44] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:27:44] Yeah. I didn’t explore like, Oh, I think I need to like do this to like get this Kabbalah or this, or like, Oh, I need to do this. I need to read this book.

[00:27:54]I got that book, but I just read it cause I had nothing else to do. But it felt good. And it’s, and [00:28:00] there’s, the, the yoga studio that I was telling you about. It wasn’t like, Oh, I need to look for this place. And I heard yoga is amazing, and it just like, I was just like my friends, like, Hey, I heard I went to this place and it was amazing.

[00:28:13] Like I felt this joy. I was like, I was just like curious, like , she told me she cried and I was like, yeah, yeah, the next step, the next step is that like, Oh, okay. And then she was like, Oh, this made me cry. I was like, yeah. What phase do you go? And you go and cry. And I was like, this is weird, but interesting?

[00:28:34] So I was like, Sheila, why don’t you make an appointment? I was like, sure.   say made an appointment and

[00:28:40] CK LIN: [00:28:40] okay, pause on the moments you allow yourself to be open to be, get curious by, you also made a judgment. This is weird, but you, you went in here to what she was saying. Yeah. Right, right. But you went anyway.

[00:28:52] So I’m curious to know, And maybe it’s relevant to the listeners or not, but I think there’s a natural way, the [00:29:00] egoic and macro was have evaluation, assessment judgment about something, but you went anyway. What can you open minded and naturally took action and follow through your curiosity in spite of the initial judgment?

[00:29:12] This is weird

[00:29:13] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:29:13] and I think it was the Turman weird is more like, I never experienced this before. Like I never heard this before. So this is out of what I normally like. No , I was a gang member, I was not this and that. And then for someone, say I went to a yoga studio, like, what is that like what is this?

[00:29:32] You know? So for me, weird is like something out of my, my, what I normally know. I see. So to, to make that a little more clear. and, so then I, I said, okay, I’ll make an appointment. Cause , I really feel this person in particular was like almost like an angel.  , God brings angels to us and I feel she was in a particular angel cause she was like telling me, you should go there.

[00:29:58] maybe she felt like [00:30:00] I needed to go there. So I, I trust her and as, as a friend. I said, sure, I’ll go there. And I went and right when I walked in, like, everybody in the center was Korean and they didn’t, some of them, they didn’t know English. And I was just, and it was so bright and they were like, it looked like this is a yoga studio.

[00:30:20] It’s called, it’s called, it was called Don yoga. Yeah. And so I stepped in and the one of the masters that was there, she, she greeted me, she bowed and. You know? and she hugged me. And at first I was like, wait, this is, out of the normal, like we, I don’t have no, I only have my family kind of thing, but it felt good?

[00:30:41] So I hugged your back so you trust. Okay. So, yeah,

[00:30:44] CK LIN: [00:30:44] I want to underline that you follow your curiosity. You need your trust with viewers. Yeah. From yourself.

[00:30:51] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:30:51] Yeah, like this is very, very good. Like, Oh, okay. You want to love my God. I like this feeling. And so when she took me [00:31:00] to the, room for consultation, she asked me to lay down and she placed her hand on my chest and, and then she asked me one question that I feel this question.

[00:31:09] Like, I was like, no one’s ever asked me this question. It’s like, what do you want out of life? And. It like something just like hit my heart, like, Oh my God, I don’t have the answer to that.  And at that point, I felt I, it just, like, I couldn’t resist, but all these tears came out and I was like, where’s this coming from?

[00:31:30] Like, why did this question like ruptured me inside, you know? And, and yeah, I mean, I signed up for sure. And, and, and then so through that question, it kept me like. The more, I guess what you say, curious to, okay, what is this question and how can I, how can I find a sensor? You know? And, through that, that, that was like another step that I took.

[00:31:57] So yeah.

[00:32:00] [00:32:00] CK LIN: [00:32:00] So you talk about she wasn’t angel, your friend. Yes. And at a time where there’s a million different voices. A lot of Facebook lives happening right now during this time. Yeah. what would you say is your criteria of identifying that person’s a potential angel, that person, that person I should pay more attention to?

[00:32:24] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:32:24] Yeah. Well, yeah, for more point of views, the way I, I tell her, I’m like, thank you so much, because like, I don’t all the people that I had friends or hanging out with. This in particular person asked me to go to this place that I would, I would probably never go to, if I just like walked by it or read about it.

[00:32:50]just told me you should come. And I did go and I actually ended up staying there. She left, she did. She like, I was like maybe five months and [00:33:00] she left, but I stayed there and through me staying there till like 15, 16 years later. I knew that that person was like someone, of, most like that, like a messenger.

[00:33:12] You know, we have many messengers in our life, but when we have to really listen and know, okay, this is a message that I need to kind of come here. And for me, that was the, one of the biggest like persons that kind of, if she wouldn’t have told me anything, then I probably wouldn’t have taken that path.

[00:33:29] it’s almost like a guy like, Hey, I should try this, or. All right.

[00:33:33] CK LIN: [00:33:33] So, so my question was, how do you know who will listen to you? I guess that’s probably the easier way to articulate it, cause she, you deem her , afterwards, 15 years later and say, Oh wow, she was a beautiful messenger from God.

[00:33:48] Right. But you didn’t feel that way the moment she told you to go to the yoga studio. Right. But you knew to listen to her and follow through based on her, right? Yeah. So [00:34:00] again. 1 million voices right now. A lot of, a lot of noise. Very little signal. How do you find a signal?

[00:34:08]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:34:08] It’s almost like those synchronicities.

[00:34:10] Okay. So this one in particular, person, I was taking a French class, so there’s going to be a little, a little connection to that. So I was taking a French class. I took this French class and, my, one of my sister-in-laws, my sister in law, She’s like, Oh, what class are you taking them on? Taking a French class?

[00:34:27] And then she’s like, Oh, my first taking a French class. And I was like, Oh, what’s your partner’s name? She told me her name, Liz. They said, Oh, that’s, Oh, okay. Maybe I’ll see her. I don’t know. There’s many French classes, right? There’s like maybe five going on, why would she be in my class? You know? So I go in there and everybody has to say their name and in French, as your mother in the middle niece or whatever.

[00:34:50] And, and this girl is like Jim , Liz. And I was like, I can’t be her ? And so, at the end of the class, I went up to her and, cause you [00:35:00] had to greet each other. And I told her, and Jim mutha Donique and then she’s like, Jim mutha, you know, this. And I was like, are you Julie’s friend? You know, my sister in law’s friend?

[00:35:09] And she said, yeah. And she’s like, are you moronic? Good? And I was like, . Yeah. She’s like, Oh my God, this is weird. like, and then from that point on we just say really click. But it was like a synchronicity. Like, how would you be in this class when there’s so many other classes and you’re my friends on my sister-in-law’s friend and you just want to take French class.

[00:35:30] You know? It’s almost like people choose things almost like at a certain point in like, I don’t know if you’ve experienced like at a certain point in your life where. Someone comes into your life for some reason, and, and, and it’s like a bond and you know, like a relationship and a closeness and a trust that you have with this person.

[00:35:50] And then sometimes they leave,  and it’s almost like there, there are these messengers that, that, Oh, okay, you came here to deliver this message. You know, many people [00:36:00] can deliver many messages and, but there some that really like kind of. Resonating with heart and I, I pray if I, you know what I’m talking about?

[00:36:09] Like that feeling that you get from certain individuals that, that you just have that trust and  that whatever they’re, they’re asking you or,  maybe delivering that, Oh, okay, I’ll try it, you know?

[00:36:20]CK LIN: [00:36:20] Yeah, I can relate, I would say, but for me, I’m kind of slow. I don’t always know right away, this is, this is a messenger I should pay attention to.

[00:36:31] Usually it’s afterwards like, Oh yeah, my life is taken. It was catalyzed . After a long time, then they would Dawn on me like, Oh, okay. Upon reflection, these people really shifted my life in a particular way. Yeah. But in the moments thinking back in the moment, I actually didn’t think much of anything. So for example, yeah, exactly.

[00:36:58] So let’s [00:37:00] use a concrete example.  a dear friend of mine, when I first met him. I was like, who’s this guy?  think much of it. And again, some of my best, best friends are all like that. Like, who’s that guy? Who’s that guy? Who’s that guy? I didn’t think much of it, but  20 years later, we’re still friends today.

[00:37:16] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:37:16] Yeah. So same thing with her. 40 years later we’re friends. Yeah. It’s kinda like, even though you don’t talk for a long time. And then when you do talk, it’s almost like you just left off from work you were, and there was no like, judgment. There’s no, it’s just like a, you know, and, and  you can have many, many, many, many friends.

[00:37:35] I used to have so many friends, like a lot, you know. Either because I was doing something bad or something good or whatever, you know? But the more that you grow yourself, like spiritually, now I see it spiritually is a lot of those people fade and you know, maybe they’re still doing their thing.

[00:37:53] And that’s cool.  and then you can see who is still kinda like, Hey, we’re still friends. You know, we’re,  and I can see…

[00:38:00] [00:37:59] CK LIN: [00:37:59] so There is an  effort being made to stay connected? Is that accurate. Yeah. Okay. So there’s an effort be made

[00:38:07]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:38:07] it’s almost like just natural, like, Oh, you know, someone, she, you know, we call each other like maybe once a year,

[00:38:15] CK LIN: [00:38:15] but there’s an effort. It requires an effort. Right? I don’t mean an effort like let’s stay together. There’s a lot of importance there. That’s not how I meant. What I meant is one of you reach up. Reach out and say, Hey, how you doing? And the other one answer is an effort to stay connected. Stick. Right? that’s one element.

[00:38:36] Another element that I hear also is the non-judgment aspect of it. You can be however you are. I can be, however I am, we accept you show there for who we are. And that’s that. You know, whatever happens, they happy for you, accept you for who you are, and that’s it. that’s actually something that. that I noticed in re reflecting upon [00:39:00] myself, I can be better at proactively reaching out to people. that’s just something that I could be better.

[00:39:09] But we’re going away from my initial question of how you cultivated your. Who you are as love and compassion and empathy. So you, you made a drastic shift over the years and that’s who you are today. You provide a space for others. Anything else you wanted to say for people that really want to provide a pristine space of compassion, empathy, and love for others?

[00:39:35] Anything else that they can add tactically practice to be more of that?

[00:39:43]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:39:43] I think just keep following, like what, what makes you happy, what makes you happy? And, and I think the more that you follow that happiness and actually do it, cause sometimes we can be like, Oh, I’m going to do this. And you don’t do it.

[00:39:56] But the more you’re, you’re taking action to [00:40:00] what you need to do, that brings you happiness. You know? And sometimes it doesn’t have to be with anybody. It’s just doing it for yourself. And when you do it for yourself. Then you get that. Just that natural joy. And I just feel the more that you follow your passions and, and continue to do that, you can just activate that, that, that, that self love.

[00:40:23] And I think that’s a lot that, you know, well, for me, that I feel I love to do is, is to put in my meditation or anything that can help me to look inward. the more that I look inward, it’s like, I don’t need to like look outward and into like, you’re doing your thing. You’re doing, you’re so, you know, and then to see our mind when it comes when little judgmental or, Oh, this is different, or you know, those kinds of things.

[00:40:53] But to be just clear and just let everything be whatever it needs to be on the outside, but to make sure that [00:41:00] you’re looking constantly inside of yourself, your own thoughts, your own emotion. How are you feeling? How am I feeling right now, how can I change my vibration of this? I’m sad. How can I make it better?

[00:41:12] How can I make myself better? Nobody can make me better. Nobody can change me, but myself. And, and I think that’s really important to constantly focus on, on oneself to grow into just develop an open that heart, you know.

[00:41:28] CK LIN: [00:41:28] I also hear implicitly in between the lines of what you just said, not only just the, the, the, , the cultivation and meditation.

[00:41:35]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:41:35] I think a really important point is, the more that you cultivate yourself and  like they say, fill your cup up first before you came forward to another. It’s like, fill yourself up so much that you feel so good that it just like naturally pours out to others without judgment, without.

[00:41:54] Having to tell someone what to do, having to just to [00:42:00] naturally just be there for someone and let them love come out, you know?

[00:42:04] CK LIN: [00:42:04] Right. So follow up on that point. What, say someone listening to this and want to do that. Yeah. What actions can they take to be more of that? of what point of that?

[00:42:18] Well, what you just said. To fill your cup up first, fill yourself up so much that you’re overflowing with love and compassion for others. So what practice really felt that?

[00:42:32] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:42:32] Well for me, I’ll just kind of share my practice in the morning. I. I do my morning meditation right when I wake up, I do my meditation, I have a chant from mama and you know, just chanting that going into straight into my thought, like, I need to get a cup of coffee.

[00:42:47] I need to take a shower. I have this planner, the straight me going into like, wow, I’m grateful. I woke up. Like, thank you God. You know, like just being grateful and in gratitude of everything like that. [00:43:00] Oh, my body’s moving. Okay, let’s, let’s, and then it starting that flow. And then once I get into meditation, just stretching the body and giving love to your body.

[00:43:08] Like I have my hands, you know, and stretching and breathing, whatever yoga you know, that you may know, then utilize it and do it. And it doesn’t take like an hour. You can do five minutes, 10 minutes, whatever you need to do. and then, and then I use a chanting and meditating and then breathing. And after that, then, okay, I’m ready, let’s do this.

[00:43:30] You know? And then at that point, that’s when my creativity starts to kind of activate throughout, like what I’m going to do throughout the day. And then right before I go to bed, I do the same thing. You know, giving things like I was able to do all this and, I’m here breathing and just to constantly be in gratitude.

[00:43:48] And when I do that, then I do my exercise and my breathing and my meditation and my channel team. And then I go to sleep. And when I do, I’m like it’s just like this feeling of [00:44:00] just, I’m happy, you know? And, and I think the more that I give myself that, and it just, it just like, it’s just naturally flows.

[00:44:09] There’s no effort. You know? I don’t, I’m just, I’m just being me like, what other people do.

[00:44:16] CK LIN: [00:44:16] Good. So let’s talk about that for a moment. Giving the. Kobe 19 happening right now. A lot of people are freaking out, panicking in fear. And it also in anticipation of whatever’s to come. Cause the last answer is we’ll all I’m saying.

[00:44:33] So do you find yourself doing more of these, be more intentional about these practices or. It’s the same. Doesn’t change. It’s been such a habit all already.

[00:44:45] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:44:45] So I’ve been doing this forever. I’m not forever until, you know, from my point of this is what I need to do for myself. So I’ve been doing it for past 10 years.

[00:44:58]it’s almost becomes like you [00:45:00] need to make a cup of coffee. Well, I need to meditate. It’s almost like it’s a habit, but I know it’s a good habit and it feels good. and, they will have to, it didn’t have to take long. It didn’t take a lot of our 24 hours of our day to do that. But I’m

[00:45:19] intentional about these practices. Just, it’s just something that’s naturally done before I had to like, I gotta do this, I gotta write it down and I got to check it off. But I did it. And the more that I, cause at first I was, I have to write down every day I need to meditate, I need to do my, my training, I need to and then I’d have to go back.

[00:45:40] Did I do it. Check it off. Check it out. I did do it.

[00:45:43] CK LIN: [00:45:43] Okay. so there is a learning curve, right? So in the beginning you were intentional, but now you’ve done it so much that it becomes second nature to you and just wake up and do it. And I want to underline here. I’m that guy, by the way. I like to underline things.

[00:45:58] Hey, that was a good point. Let me [00:46:00] pause on that for a moment. I hear you say this phrase a lot. It felt good. So, so listeners, whatever it makes you feel good. Yeah. Do more of that, but I want to make a distinction here because eating chocolate feels good. Only ice cream feels good. Watching Netflix feels good.

[00:46:18] Waking up late, feels good, doing being lazy, laying in bed or there feels good. Right? So what’s the distinction from your point of view? I have my own vocabulary, but from your point of view, the distinction of doing your discipline that makes you feel good versus eating ice cream that makes you feel good.

[00:46:35] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:46:35] There is a big distinction. Let’s talk about that. It’s more of a inner feeling good than a physical feeling good. Because when you’re feeding your body, it’s a physical and it comes from your brain. Your brain is like, Oh, all these, like your receptors are like, yeah, have some ice cream. You decise cream.

[00:46:56] And then you’re like, okay so there’s like this other, [00:47:00] you know, being talking to you and telling you what to do when I’m at that point. There’s a separation of who you are from this body, from your, from your emotions, and from your thought. We’re a soul in this body. This is our temple. So when you listen to the inside of yourself, there is a difference of feeling better or feeling good then versus a, I’m going to eat a pizza.

[00:47:25] That making me feel good. It’s not making feel good. It’s making your brain feel good. Or you know. Making those receptors happy. Like, Oh, this is great but there’s a difference there. And that’s where the difference is. separating your self, which is your soul, your being, versus your, your body and your desires that make you feel good.

[00:47:47] So there’s two.

[00:47:49] CK LIN: [00:47:49] Yeah, my friend has a really beautiful way to articulate it. He says there’s a distinction between deliciousness and nutritiousness. Things that makes you [00:48:00] like the ice cream literally is delicious. At the same time, it’s not necessarily nutritious. You can’t have all the ice cream you want.

[00:48:09] At some point, that deliciousness goes away when you become disgusted or ice cream eating, your body just doesn’t get the nutrition may want and or and, or go ugly if it is delicious. To show off to some wine or the prideful or whatever it may be, the case for the individual. At the same time, it’s not a spiritually or emotionally very nutritious.

[00:48:40] Yeah. So I liked that.

[00:48:42] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:48:42] I also liked that part of the it’s like you’re feeding your soul. You’re feeding your body. You know? It’s like, there’s a big difference. It’s very hard to distinguish , until you can cultivate that training and that knowing that the separation of who you are [00:49:00] from everything else, your thoughts, your emotions here.

[00:49:04] CK LIN: [00:49:04] Yeah. And by the way, guys, we’re not saying to never eat ice cream chocolate. Yeah. Enjoy. Life is short, so enjoy the thing that you enjoy, but ultimately just. Be intentional about whether you’re doing it for deliciousness or you’re doing it for nutritious things where somewhere in the middle, whatever it is that you’re doing.

[00:49:25] So that way you’re intentional about it rather than is, you know, pushing the remote control, you know? yeah. Without even thinking about, and I mean, you said that. Okay, good. Anything else you wanted to say in terms of cultivating this loving presence amidst the outside chaos at this point. At this particular point in time.

[00:49:50] Yeah. this is actually similar to kambo almost.

[00:49:53] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:49:53] Oh yeah. It’s very intense, but very peaceful too. Okay. So say more about, yeah. So it’s kinda [00:50:00] like, you know, this is going on and, and the thing is. It’s almost like run by search, be here now. Like you can’t, like, we cannot predict what’s going to happen tomorrow.

[00:50:09] We cannot promise it will be here tomorrow. and, who knows? You know, there’s car accidents every day. There’s many different other types of deaths. So, just to be present and to enjoy and be grateful and in gratitude for everything that you have at this moment in your life. You can, you can, you can plan.

[00:50:29] You can be creative. And there’s so much more that we don’t know about ourselves because we’re so busy. I got to work 10 hours a day, come home to the home that  you work so hard for, but you never get to spend time in it. You know? Now you have this time of day to spend time and, and see what is the, the passion that you have and you always want it to do or create or.

[00:50:52] Well, there’s, there has to be something when you were a little kid that you wanted to learn or something that you wanted to read or things like that. This is like the perfect [00:51:00] time for that and not to be like in fear, like what’s going to happen or, you know, I understand there’s many difficulties in, in, in, in struggles that people are having.

[00:51:10]but to just have hers for them we can only send something out like. You know, I, I can wish them the best, but we cannot help every, every human being but just to focus on yourself at this point, the more that you focus on yourself on this point, then together, I think in a collective we can make a change, holding the vibration of love.

[00:51:33] In gratitude, you know?

[00:51:34] CK LIN: [00:51:34] And when you say pay attention to yourself, my interpretation of what you said is your own sphere of influence, right? Is that accurate? You’re interpreting?

[00:51:43] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:51:43] Yeah. Yeah. So we can see so much information that’s going on so many different ways and points of view of what, what is going to happen, what’s really happening to really just be in your heart and what you believe in, what you love and what makes you happy.

[00:52:00] [00:51:59] You know? Why are you going to fall into like negative information or, or this is going to happen. And then bringing up some fear and I’m so scared and we’re making it through. And then you have all these thoughts that are being created just to be in the present moment, to be in love and you know, and to cultivate when you want to do, you know, or create.

[00:52:20] It’s a good time.

[00:52:21] CK LIN: [00:52:21] Yeah. So that’s a good segue to this, who you were before you were in the game in Wayne juvie hall, and now your full time kambo practitioner dedicating your life to heal other people in general. Right. So that’s a big shift, I would say.

[00:52:41] So do all this process. You met many teachers, many angels along the way to help you cultivate your skills to be a kambo practitioner. Yes. Right? Who knows what, what’s going to happen 10 years from now, but today you’re a kambo practitioner. So what are some of the criteria that you use today to select your teachers?

[00:53:00] [00:53:00] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:53:00] Hmm, good question. I think keep following the signs and what, what I feel in my heart, you know? so from Lester Levinston, Stan that book was very, it was, it resonated a lot, you know, and I imagined you ever take, the Sedona method. No, I didn’t. My mum did. I see. Interesting. That’s why she gave me the book.

[00:53:22] And, and then from that book to my teacher LGD and to knowing that. Let’s do 11. Sam was buried at this place that my teacher bought the land and sit on at Arizona. And, and I knew that was a teacher because when I looked at, in his eyes, I didn’t know this man. He was an eight. He  came from Korea, didn’t know any English.

[00:53:44] There was 300 people. He looked at every single human being in their eyes. I didn’t know him about, you know, and. I just started crying and it was like, why am I crying? Like, why? What is this feeling that I have? So it was, and then at that moment I [00:54:00] knew this man is important in my life and then I’m coming forward to now being a kambo practitioner in and knowing who you know, was my next teacher.

[00:54:11]it’s the same thing. Like when I saw Natasha for the first time, there was this feeling in my heart. That I knew that this person is very important in my life. And, and then when she delivered everything she delivered with kambo, I need that. This is the person I want to learn from. You know, seeing her, her, her sincerity, her, her kindness and her love for others.

[00:54:37] I was like, this is really, sometimes it’s when you feel it, but when you see it in someone else, it’s so beautiful. You know? And I, and then that’s where I asked her. I was like, how can I become a kambo practitioner? And she was like, well, I’m going to take my training. And, and then I thought, okay, and then so that may take a while.

[00:54:57] And she loved, but she referred me to another, [00:55:00] like another kambo training. And I was like, no, I’m gonna wait for you to be done with your training cause I really, I want you to be my teacher. And that was the, the. The next point. And then I knew exactly when I was doing my training, I pulled off a book out of her shelf and I looked at the book and I was like, Oh my God, how did you get this book?

[00:55:22]And. You know, she got in Sedona Mago retreat center. It was like, do you know this man right here?

[00:55:26] She’s like, no. I’m like, that’s my previous teacher. And, and I cried cause I was like, why? I must felt like it was a sign, like I’m in the right place and I’m doing the right thing. And, yeah, it was just, it was just so happy to kind of share that with her too, you know? and then now that I’m practitioner, I’m just, I’m just trying to do my best. I’m not trying to, I’m actually doing my best that I can to be of service and to hold space cause it’s not me that that is making people better or, or whatever or, or, you [00:56:00] know, transforming their lives now. But it’s kambo.

[00:56:03] CK LIN: [00:56:03] So how would you translate everything that you’ve done to someone who is in the, in between space right now during this Corona virus?

[00:56:13] You know, everyone’s stay in a home situation that we all in right now. How would you translate that into something that’s tactical and that they can practice right now?

[00:56:23] Oh, to do in their life and what exactly they’re in that in between space or exploring what’s next and they don’t know in this, in this outside uncertainties they are exploring what’s next?

[00:56:35] What would you advise them to do?

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[00:56:38] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:56:38] I feel the, this time is a time of, Like looking in, like I said, and, and, and to really see what, what moves you, what, what gives you passion to do something or what have you always wanted to learn. Like this is a good time to learn these things and to kind of cultivate it in and say, Oh, okay, this is what I’m going to do, or this [00:57:00] is what I’m going to my next.

[00:57:01] Step to take, or what have you been wanting to do, but you’re like stuck, or your, your stop from going there is just do it, do what you always wanted to do. And this is a time to kind of learn, you know, whatever it is that you need to, to learn to to go there, but to not give up like, like saying like, Oh, this is it but to, to have faith that, you know.

[00:57:24] That everything is possible in life, you know?

[00:57:29] CK LIN: [00:57:29] Beautiful. The way I will inch in roles to reinterpret everything that you said is, is you didn’t say this, but in my mind is trust your body. Like you really get into the body and then, and then really listen to your body and listen to your heart of what actually resonates with you.

[00:57:47] Cause from your. Own example, you trusted your body, you trusted your heart. So whenever he spoke to you, you, you will follow that path based on [00:58:00] your, your, your words were energetic, alignment or resonance. You felt that, so you trust trusted. So you choose your teacher, and yeah. You, you chose your teachers.

[00:58:11] And what I mean is I accurately pretty much, yeah. Yeah. for those people are interesting receiving kambo. Is there any place that you can send them to?

[00:58:21] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:58:21] Yeah, they can go to my, my Instagram page and my website’s on there. we’ll put in the show notes. Yeah. Passion that BG. Oh, no, I’m sorry. I changed it to passion for health underscore for health.

[00:58:33] CK LIN: [00:58:33] Okay. And we’ll put that in the show notes for everyone. Anything else you want to say before we complete?

[00:58:38]VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:58:38] CK I want to thank you for taking this time and you know, setting this up.

[00:58:43] I appreciate that very much and I’m into an all the beauty that you deliver to, to everybody. You know, the words that you have in the wisdom. So I really truly appreciate it. So thank you.

[00:58:56] CK LIN: [00:58:56] Thank you for that. I really acknowledge you for sharing your story [00:59:00] and allow me to underline some of the things I thought was important.

[00:59:03] VERONICA GUTIERREZ: [00:59:03] I knew you would do that

[00:59:07] CK LIN: [00:59:07] and then vulnerability, your story. Any what? A transformation. The way that you are living a life before trust and faith in love and compassion. and it’s only in the beginning of your journey as a healer. So I’m sure that your practice will continue to blossom and thrive because people can really feel your authenticity, your heart.

[00:59:29] And that’s something that I admire you whenever I see your videos. whenever I see you in person, I just feel a very palpable, presence of love and compassion for everyone. And that’s something that I aim to embody more. Hmm. So thank you for being here and sharing your story.