Peter has had tremendous success in private equity firms, venture capital funds; he has been a founder, an author of books and articles.
In 2003, Peter left all that behind and founded the Conscious Business Institute. CBI’s programs have been applied in well-known brands like Starbucks, BMW, Siemens, Intel, and many others.
In our conversation, we talked about:
—The practical steps entrepreneurs can do during the COVID crisis
—How your consciousness relates to your business operation
— Finding peace with a 30-second breathing exercise
— Eliminating mental chatters by choosing the right information sources
—Using strategic meetings to explore opportunities during COVID
—Showing up in the face of fear
—Shifting your mindset from fear to abundance
—Discerning signal you should listen vs. noise you should ignore
—More direct path to the success AND fulfillment in business
—How aikido fosters flow in life and business
Peter Matthies is a former Venture Capitalist and founder of the Conscious Business Institute (CBI).
Before founding the CBI, Peter was a Principal for Private Equity firm, Apax Partners & Co, and for b-business partners, a $ 1 billion pan-European VC fund.
The Conscious Business Institute provides a step-by-step system for building more inspiring, conscious organizations, including the Conscious Business Culture Assessment™ and the Conscious Business Culture & Leadership Programs™, which can scale to serve any number of users across the world. CBI’s programs have been applied in organizations from 1 to 100,000 employees, including Starbucks, BMW Group, Siemens, Alllianz, Intel, and others.
(He lives in Santa Barbara, California, and gets a kick out of Aikido, Capoeira, sailing, and a good dance with his wife.)
this is noble warrior here. So, I believe the world is a classroom for overcoming fear and, and we never overcome it because there’s always going to be fear. We’re all warriors here. We’re all on the mat in the dojo training. Warriors, which is not to fight, but to be centered and to be emotionally capable to deal with those situations and make the most out of it.
fear and fantasy is the same thing. In both instances. We are not in our authentic power. We are operating out of power. We create stress, or we create a negative ripple effect for the world. But some people are also doing fantasy. They’re saying, Oh, I’m just following my dream and I’m building this company. Everything will be great, and Oh, I’m going to be saved. It’s the same delusion .
All our fear comes down to not enough. It’s our scarcity monkey mindset that we’ve been educated with that we are, we are not enough. There’s not enough money. There’s not enough love, and ultimately exit. We took it on for ourselves. Whatever it might be. But that’s just the mindset. So the most important mind shift we can do to get in power and to build successful businesses, quite frankly, it is to shift to a mindset of enough. If you build a business, you, you will feel in that business a pinch, something that doesn’t work out well if you have that not enough mindset. So it’s a good exercise to do. In any case, to check out how can I shift to this mindset of abundance.
You need to have a purpose. And like through the cracks of a rock, it finds its way into the world. So you can start being an engineer, which is much more mental and linear. But eventually you’re violet, as I call it, kicks in and finds its well and finds its expression.
we’ve basically created as a is a curriculum or pathway that gets people in the professional world from where they are to a more inspiring way of working and doing business.
90% of the people really want to do something different. That’s very sad because we all want to work with fulfillment. We all want to make a difference. We all want to show up and do something cool. We all want to connect with other people. And the workplace could be an amazing place to do that. So when we go into organizations and speak to people about these opportunities that it could be possible, and here’s a pathway to do it. And talk about fulfillment. Talk about connection, talk about purpose. There is such a yearning in organizations to work in a better way.
Buckminster fuller says environmental is stronger than willpower, so if we need to have some allies, whether it’s books or movies, or mentors or people that, that, that we can walk with that we can share the past with. If we don’t have that, our environment has a tendency to pull us back.
When I started doing akido, because it’s not about entering into a conflict or fighting it or nor withdrawing it, it’s to flow with the conflict that I, it rippled over into my dreams that I was reacting differently to pressure. I mentioned earlier, we’re really on the mat in our life here. Oftentimes I realized that you can actually flow with these things and have a lot of fun if you learn how to play akido. and you can totally flow with those guys, and not, not feel attacked and not feel reactive to them.
In the end, it all comes down to consciousness because our consciousness is what creates our reality. If I go into the world thinking that all my employees are slackers and I need to push them to get things done. That’s how I will show up. This is how the culture of my organization will look like. If I have a different consciousness and think they’re inherently able and capable to show up and do something cool, I would show up completely different than the culture that I would create would be totally different. So for everything in our life, it’s simply a reflection of our consciousness. Every conflict that we have is a reflection of our consciousness. Everything that we create beautiful in our life as a reflection of where we are in our consciousness. So our success in life stops growing where we have stopped growing as individuals. And so for me, the entryway consciousness is really the entry way to examine that. And to expand our consciousness and then find that everything that we create, we’ll, we’ll expand through that as well.
TRANSCRIPT (BY ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE)
CK LIN: [00:00:00] welcome back to noble warrior alive. This is a place where entrepreneurs talk about what it takes to build purpose driven organizations. We’re going to focus on my set. We’re going to focus on mental models.
[00:00:12] We’re going to focus on, actionable tactics such that not only you are inspired and motivated, but you can also take on these actionable tactics to experiment with your own business. Today. I’m really excited to have my friend Peter Matthews with us today. He is a, a former partners in private equity venture capital funds.
[00:00:36] His being a founder himself, he’s been an author and lecturer, a speaker on a variety of different topics. he now runs a program that helps, entrepreneurs to. Up level, their consciousness, the conscious business, and, and that program has been applied to organizations from a organization, a one to 100,000 employees, including Starbucks, BMW, Siemens, Intel, and many others.
[00:01:11] Welcome to the show, Peter. Thank you so much for being here.
[00:01:14] PETER MATTHIES: [00:01:14] Yeah. Thanks so much. Secrets. Wonderful to be here.
[00:01:17] CK LIN: [00:01:17] Now I do want to ask you, why did you leave all of those things behind and do it educational program, but before I jump in there, I wanted to ask you my friend in this crazy times right now. How are you able to ground yourself, growing your family?
[00:01:34] What kind of things do you do to make sure that everything starts there?
[00:01:39] PETER MATTHIES: [00:01:39] Yeah, well, well, first of all, honestly, if, if I would be saying, I’m granted all the time, I’d be lying and probably everyone else would be too. what I do is I start the day with a 20 minute meditation. I have a certain kind of a ritual that I do with breathing techniques, with checking in for myself with connecting to the higher guidance.
[00:02:00] And, I find myself doing that. Frequently. I’ve actually, the second thing that I’m doing is I’m taking walks
[00:02:10] CK LIN: [00:02:10] further. Any specific kind of breathing
[00:02:14] PETER MATTHIES: [00:02:14] techniques? there’s some yogic breathing techniques that center me, that’s worked with my, with my stomach, and then there’s a breathing technique that I have where I bring, bringing in. Here into my center and then let it stream out through my legs and through my arms.
[00:02:30] There are a couple of rounds of that, and then I keep it in my body. And so I kind of wash out the old energy and then refresh with fresh run and then keep it percolating through my body. And that’s a little bit like an inner sanitation for me in the morning.
[00:02:46] CK LIN: [00:02:46] So as you breathe the visualize. This new water comes through.
[00:02:51] You wash out the old and bring in the new that, and then that’s you.
[00:02:57] PETER MATTHIES: [00:02:57] Let’s do it for 30 seconds maybe. So Mira can just read through your head and as you take a deep, deep breath and bringing it into your center and hold it there for a minutes or for a few seconds, and then exhale it through your legs, through your feet, into the ground.
[00:03:17] I’m going to do that one small, bring it into your center, through the crown of your head. Let it sit and expand there for a little bit and through your legs, through your calves, through your feet, into the ground,
[00:03:37] and the same. Now bring it into your heart.
[00:03:41] keep it there for a moment. Now all three arms through your fingers, exhale, and you might actually feel your hands tingling a little bit.
[00:03:57] And then the last part of this is to bring it in,
[00:04:03] expanded into all limbs, off your body, down into the legs, but keep it there. And as you breathe it back in, bring it back into your center and into your heart,
[00:04:19] and then just breathe out.
[00:04:25] So this is just a quick one, but if we knew this a little longer, you can actually feel that it cleanses your body.
[00:04:32] CK LIN: [00:04:32] I like it already. I feel a much powerful presence and more grounding. So thank you for sharing that with all of us. Yeah,
[00:04:42] PETER MATTHIES: [00:04:42] yeah, you’re welcome. Beautiful. Helps me too.
[00:04:46] CK LIN: [00:04:46] Yeah. Beautiful. That’s great.
[00:04:48] We just start all podcasts like this. Actually, you don’t notice, I don’t know if you’ve ever had happy before, jungle tobacco, so, so when we do a noble warrior recording, typically we’re doing in person, we introduce them, this jungle tobacco hoppy. It’s very similar in the outcome, but it’s very, very grounding.
[00:05:12] So you’d say snuff that it’s a minister through to nose. And it’s, it’s super grounding, like 10 seconds. So the next time we see each other in person, I’ll, I’ll share.
[00:05:24] PETER MATTHIES: [00:05:24] Reminds me of my, of my romantic things in the Amazon.
[00:05:28] CK LIN: [00:05:28] Yeah.
[00:05:30] PETER MATTHIES: [00:05:30] Perfect. Awesome.
[00:05:31] CK LIN: [00:05:31] Yeah, I had no idea you did that. That’s good. okay, so you do your breathing.
[00:05:38] You, you were about to say that you go out for a walk.
[00:05:41] PETER MATTHIES: [00:05:41] Yeah, I do meditation. Then I just try to. Feel that nothingness around me and I actually feel my hands reach out with my entire awareness and then just listen to the nothingness there actually, and bring it out as far as possible. But listen to the stillness and usually do that in my chair.
[00:05:59] But then also when I go for a walk, I try to do that because when we listen beyond the words beyond the noises we can, we can listen to the silence out there. There’s a moment of. Just presence. And so I’m trying to sit in that and then listen to what comes, comes from there. Yeah. So that’s, that’s kind of my morning ritual.
[00:06:20]and then when I, when I go for walks, I try to connect with nature. And nature does a lot for me. So I try to sit with the trees and I just become present with nature and thank goodness here and some of our, we can go out and take a walk by the beach if not too many people are around or. Hit the mountain some that helps a lot.
[00:06:38] CK LIN: [00:06:38] You’re very fortunate that way, my friend. That’s awesome. So for the entrepreneur who’s listening to this, they may be still in that transition right now, right? Where as they may be thinking like Cody shits, UK and Peter doing this time, I got a business to take care of. I got a business to pivot. I don’t have time to.
[00:07:00] Do these luxurious things like sit in silence and meditate and do breath work. What would you say to them.
[00:07:09] PETER MATTHIES: [00:07:09] start with one minute. I learned that from a monk, from a person who used to be a business guy, quite successful. And then it dropped everything and became a monk for 12 years. and really learned about the mind.
[00:07:20] Very powerful person. He now lives in New York. let’s, and he works a lot with executives, which highlight high level executives, which are so busy that they usually don’t have any time for anything. So he says, start with one minute. Just start with one minute and sit and just think of nothing.
[00:07:38] Just be in that presence and try to think of nothing for one minute, half a year later. If you’re done with that, you can switch to two minutes. so if you don’t have a minute to do that or two minutes, then I think we have a problem that we need to talk about. And so the recommendation,
[00:07:58] CK LIN: [00:07:58] I think, yes, go ahead.
[00:08:00] PETER MATTHIES: [00:08:00] Yeah. Plus maybe what I want to say around this covert time because there, there was a lot of opportunity to freak out. things are happening that are not very beautiful. People are passing away. There’s a lot of stress out there. If you read the media, it’s feeding the stress like crazy. but at the same time, if you look around, it’s only maybe a 10th of a percent of humanity.
[00:08:24] If you look at nature, if you look at animals, if you look at everything that’s affected from this, if you look out there, most of it is, okay. animals, nature, they’re all having a good time. so realize that this is a huge opportunity that we’re facing because our traditional systems, which we are operating in, are not sustainable.
[00:08:43] They’re not sustainable for us. They’re not sustainable for society, and they’re not sustainable for the environment. So, the transition is needed and we are at a time where we’re going through this addition, which can be painful, but it’s ultimately a humongous opportunity. So my recommendation would be not to miss that opportunity.
[00:09:02]CK LIN: [00:09:02] yeah, like, like everything. so the word crises in Chinese as two characters, one is danger. On the flip side is opportunity. We can definitely focus on the danger part and our egoic mind, our survival mind, our, our animal mind loves that. Because it keeps us safe and, and, and, and, and well survival.
[00:09:26] So at the same time, I think if we are able to broaden our perspective a bit, speaking in business terms during crisis time is, is when wealth is made really, right? If he’s speaking from the business opportunistic point of view. So when everyone else is retracting. There’s great opportunities if you’re able to actually broaden your horizon, broaden your perspective, and, and look, changing an analogy a bit to go to where the waves are going.
[00:09:57] Right. Faster. So paddle there.
[00:10:00] PETER MATTHIES: [00:10:00] Yeah.
[00:10:01] CK LIN: [00:10:01] So, okay. So, in thinking about opportunities per se, so one is to ground yourself so that you can come from a place of. Being center and grounded versus being from panic and overwhelm. So first thing you’d do that. So now we’re jumping forward a bit. Looking at different opportunities.
[00:10:21] Are there practices that you use as a way to observe which opportunities to pursue.
[00:10:32] PETER MATTHIES: [00:10:32] yes, there are. The first practice is to be mindful about what you take in. there’s a lot of media out there. There’s a lot of information that flies your way. I’m looking at my phone here and I get 90 text messages every day from groups and from people that are, that are out there.
[00:10:48]and they’re posting like crazy. So I’m very mindful about where the consciousness, where the information comes from, from which consciousness that I take in. Because most information that you find out there is coming from a consciousness of fear. If you, if you look at the traditional media, it’s all fear based.
[00:11:05] It’s all sensation based. And that’s not. That’s causing mafia, and I don’t want to expose myself to that. At the same time, I want to take an information to stay informed so I can make informed decisions. I’m consciously choosing, information sources there that I know come from a different, from a different mindset, from individuals that are looking at a bigger picture from individuals that have done their homework from individuals that are seeing the opportunity in this.
[00:11:35] And are not coming from a completely fearless mindset. So that’s, that’s one. One practice that I would definitely recommend.
[00:11:43] CK LIN: [00:11:43] Any specific individuals that we can point.
[00:11:46] PETER MATTHIES: [00:11:46] Yeah. I’m part of this group called the evolutionary leaders. It’s, it’s a group of people, Deepak Chopra, in their Rinaldo brutal call, Neale Donald Walsch, spiritual teachers, but also business leaders.
[00:11:59] It’s a group of 190 or 200 people now that are in this global global community. you can look it up. Evolutionary leaders. Dot net. and there are a bunch of resources on there on, about. Like recommendations, what people say you can do in these times. I listened to the world business Academy to, to Rinaldo Brutoco.
[00:12:19]he’s, he’s a very sharp guy and I know that he comes from a different mindset, from a more holistic mindset. So that’s some of the information that I, that I look at.
[00:12:29] CK LIN: [00:12:29] I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay. So, so be very choosy. Be very selective about where you gather information from and you share to resources for us to look at.
[00:12:41] These are more of the holistic conscious leaders that you select, not just thinkers, but also doers. Right. Okay, great. What else is there for me too, for the listeners who are watching this for them to look at the different opportunities?
[00:12:58] PETER MATTHIES: [00:12:58] Yeah. I read the media. I read selected, like BBC for example. I’m reading or I’ve read some German newspapers because I’m German.
[00:13:05] I’m reading obviously some United States newspapers as well. I’m purposefully reading things that I otherwise would not read to see how they spin, spin the spin the wheel, which is a very interesting little exercise, but then I get together with people. On the call or just just try to find sources where we can actually exchange on a strategic level, what implications that have that has with speaking with our clients, which are large organizations and some, some people that we are just in touch with how they’re dealing with this crisis and all of those conversations.
[00:13:44] There are always new opportunities coming. I’ll give you an example. We talked with one huge tech company here in the United States, and they’re actually saying they’re, they’re much more productive. Yeah, because traffic is up, because people are going online and since their people are staying home, they’re actually more productive because most of, most of them are coders at home, don’t need to talk to anybody else, and they can call
[00:14:08] CK LIN: [00:14:08] and they introvert.
[00:14:09] So, I understand.
[00:14:11] PETER MATTHIES: [00:14:11] Yeah. And some of us actually enjoy this time, but the problem is that, there is no. Balance anymore. The workouts that they usually go to are just taking a walk or talking to some friends on the street. I’ll go out for beer. It’s not happening anymore. So the default mechanism is to go back to another screen and work more, which, which closes these individuals down over time.
[00:14:37] And like, for example, the male paradigm. Oftentimes as we, we, we just do work, work, work, work, work. And two months later. Sometimes it happens to me. I feel that I’ve been depressed like four months now. We don’t, we don’t check in with ourselves and that that causes a ripple effect into how teams interact with each other, which is really negative.
[00:14:57] And many of the leaders out there are really concerned about that. How do we. Manage over distance in a way that we can still connect with our people on a, on an emotional level so that those breakdowns don’t happen in teams. So that’s, that’s an opportunity right there to offer something that’s to do that.
[00:15:18] CK LIN: [00:15:18] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we’re social animals as a whole, and for the introvert, they may like their alone time a bed, but ultimately it’s the ying and a yang. Right. Although we still need that socialization aspect of it. Otherwise, depression, PTSD did start the things. We are starting to see that already a lot more people are saying, Hey, I’m lonely.
[00:15:41] I’m getting stir crazy and I need that human contact and they are not getting it. So, what’s anticipated is, as you said, a rise, a spike up in, you know, people that need that. Help, you know, depression, PTSD, or whatever ways that they can get in to to get there, the mind, the mental health aspect of it in place.
[00:16:05] Is there anything that you see to address this in the broad spectrum? Because here’s my assertion. People that know on that, let’s say on the far end of the spectrum, they know they’re clinically depressed. They know where to, they know how BEVA thing, right? And then there’s the minor stuff that’s in between.
[00:16:25] And some people are doing great, but there’s somewhere in the middle where they may be feeling, Oh, I’m just a little upset. I’m a little bit depressed, and I noticed that I’m addicted to Netflix more. I’m drinking wine more, I’m eating chocolate more. I’m giving into my addiction more. Right? Like it’s okay, but it’s still on the clinical level.
[00:16:46] So how do you address the bulk of the people who are in the middle.
[00:16:51] PETER MATTHIES: [00:16:51] Yeah, I think everybody.
[00:16:53] CK LIN: [00:16:53] Have you seen any, like any company’s organization that’s trying to address this part? Cause this is a huge
[00:16:59] PETER MATTHIES: [00:16:59] part. Yeah. We’re just talking to three actually, which are looking at addressing that because they see it in their team and I think pretty much everybody deals with that on some level.
[00:17:11] Like for myself, the last two days I’ve just been really sad. Really sad. and I know it’s something that comes from me because I’ve been working very hard during the last year and I’ve overworked. Yeah. So now it comes to depression because I was under pressure and now it’s depression. and it’s actually a good thing.
[00:17:29]so, if, if I just plow through that I, that’s not good. So I’m, I’m actually, first of all, I’m becoming aware of it. Which, and not run away from it. So I’m spending time in my, on my, in my living room, and I observe myself more than usual when I sit on my chair, for example. And usually I want to get up and I want to go back work, or some idea comes and I want to pick up the phone and we have our rhythms.
[00:17:56] Yeah. and I, I try to break those patterns and quote unquote forced myself to sit on the chair for 10 minutes longer. And my entire body goes, I need to do this now. I want to do this now, and I’m still sitting there. When I do that, I go with his tongue where suddenly something new comes up. And calmness comes up.
[00:18:16] So what I encourage people to do is to look at those patterns, those urges, and to risk them resistance a little bit. Sit a little longer, just stare at the tree outside. Yeah. the second thing I want to say around that is that a friend of mine, who are valued a lot, he says, depression is a good thing.
[00:18:35]because depression is a sign that we have suppressed something for a long time. So the question becomes when we feel depressed, to not take it personal and say, I am depressed. It’s like I feel depression. And it’s, it’s
[00:18:48] CK LIN: [00:18:48] just habit. Yeah.
[00:18:51] PETER MATTHIES: [00:18:51] Yeah. It’s like, it’s, it’s not me. It’s something that is like a blanket that’s over me.
[00:18:56] It covers the real me up because the real me is not depressed. So, but to uncover that blanket essence, to say, what have I suppressed for a long time, for me, for example, when I was working so hard, is really to take a little bit of playtime, be out and be lighthearted and have a good time instead of just heads down working.
[00:19:19] And the part of me says, my God, that’s. Damn, I’m depressed about that. I suppressed a part of me. So this is the opportunity now to actually take time to spend time on these in increase, which, which are really important because they’re really about our happiness and our wellbeing.
[00:19:41] CK LIN: [00:19:41] I love that. Thank you for sharing that.
[00:19:43] That specific way of thinking about it is in my mind, I don’t know if you’ve ever done any shamonic ceremonial work before or psychedelics. It’s very, very similar in that way where you were experiencing a lot of intensity, physically, mentally, emotionally, perhaps spiritually as well. And, and, but that also gives you us the opportunity to choose and to try that on what we want to do with it afterwards.
[00:20:11] Right. So in the way that your language there I really like is like a blanket that you wear. I have it. I’m not, it. That you can actually provide some mental distance from that, and then you can choose and then be with it. And then, and then, and then until something new happens. It actually reminds me of, I don’t know if you watched the documentary called free solo with one of the world.
[00:20:41] It’s the climate.
[00:20:46] Yeah. So, so Frisco, Alex Han, Hamilton, I believe that’s his last name, one of the top free solo mountain climbers. He, climb 3000 feet, of, El Capitan in Yosemite without rope. It was telling. basically that’s what the documentary is about. But one of the key thing that shows up for me as we were describing this is a lot of people will think of him as being fearless, but he actually, when he experienced fear, he just kind of just sit with it.
[00:21:19] There was a moment in that documentary where he was experiencing fear and just like, see, stay with it until that fear washes over him. Then he helped me move forward. So it was very, very similar in that way.
[00:21:32] PETER MATTHIES: [00:21:32] Yeah. I mean, you’re talking about such an important topic because this is noble warrior here. So, I believe the world is a classroom for overcoming fear and, and we never overcome it because there’s always going to be fear.
[00:21:44] The question is how do we show up in the face of fear? is it, is it gonna let us run our lives or are we. Still moving forward with our convictions and stuff. So we’re all warriors here. We are all warriors. We’re all on the mat in the dojo training. and then the classroom is right now with covert, when we’re confronted with a lot of challenges and we are getting hit with stuff.
[00:22:10] The classroom is when we’re sitting in meetings and we’re having conflicts, or we are just totally overwhelmed with work. That’s our classroom. And the question is, how do we deal. With that? How do we show up in the face of those challenges? Are we falling in part in bitching around, or are we becoming.
[00:22:28] Warriors, which is not to fight, but to be centered and to be emotionally capable to deal with those situations and make the most out of it. The noble warrior. So if you say,
[00:22:44] CK LIN: [00:22:44] I didn’t have chills, and thank you so much for getting my intention with this podcast. The whole point of noble warrior is not so much, Hey, do this, and you conquer it and that’s it.
[00:22:56] You have arrived. The whole point of it is who you’re going to be in the face of adversity, challenges, you know, things that difficulties, you know, in life because who we get to be in the face of it, adversity reveals who really are. I said, now you have an opportunity to Ashton deal with, places in life may be a little weaker, but what a blessing.
[00:23:20] What an opportunity for us to. To grow forth, right? So thank you for getting as so, so, but one may say, so I’m going to challenge us on that point a little bit, right? One may say, Hey, see Kim. Peter, it’s easy for you guys to say, face your challenge. Face your fear, Fazio adversity. You live in Santa Barbara.
[00:23:45] You know. Yeah. Have a nice, you’re, you’re, you’re set financially, you’re, you have all these accomplishments you can lean back on, but my house is on fire. I, I, it’s, I, I’m overwhelmed. I’m in panic moment, fear mode. How do you, is there anything concrete, anything specific, anything actionable, anything tactical that you can advise them to?
[00:24:12] PETER MATTHIES: [00:24:12] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s, those are the situation where the rubber meets the road. Obviously I live in Santa Barbara, but I have to say I came here in 2003. I was doing quite well. but after I founded the conscious business Institute, which came to me in a, in a half sleep, it took me about seven years to get it started.
[00:24:30] So I had a long, long time where. It was tight and I burned through pretty much all my money. I was down to a tiny little bit. I was freaking out. I couldn’t tell. I was sitting here, I was crying. I was saying, I need to get a job again. And my wife said, if you. Don’t follow your purpose. I’m going to fire you, Peter.
[00:24:52] So she was supporting me in, in following my purpose. Bless her. I’m so grateful for that, but I know exactly the fear of that you’re talking about because it’s, it’s paralyzing. and yes, if, if something happens, if our house is burning, we need to get out of there. Yeah, we need to get the water there, their crisis situation where we need to deal with a situation.
[00:25:15] If a truck is running towards us, we need to get out of the way. It doesn’t help to sit there and meditate and know the truck’s just a friend. It’s not happening that way. So we need to do what? Whatever happens. So when I talk to people, I tell them that fear and fantasy is the same thing. We’re
[00:25:33] CK LIN: [00:25:33] both. Say it.
[00:25:34] Say more about that. Fear and fantasy
[00:25:37] PETER MATTHIES: [00:25:37] and fantasy are same thing. In both instances. We are not in our authentic power. We are operating out of power. We operate out of power, we create a negative ripple effect for ourselves. We create stress, or we create a negative ripple effect for the world. So fear is clear.
[00:25:54]our house is burning down. Holy shit, I’m running out of money. I need to do something. But some people are also doing fantasy. They’re saying, Oh, I’m just following my dream and I’m building this company. Everything will be great, and Oh, I’m going to be saved. And. Sometimes they’re flat on their face as well.
[00:26:09] So it’s, it’s the same delusion that we have . So what we can do, if we are afraid, is first of all, to realize that we are afraid and that we are not in our authentic power. to notice that because whenever we do stuff it, it creates a ripple effect. However, we need to get out of, out of the way from the truck.
[00:26:31] So if, if the company is burning down and we need to do whatever we can to make it sustainable. Yeah. Otherwise, it’s not going to have gone to survive. It’s just going to happen. However, we can operate in accordance to our values and say, how do I want to show up in this? Do I just want to kick everybody out or do I want to have a conversation with my people to say, how can we manage this together?
[00:26:54] Can we maybe cut our salaries down to 50% for, or can we help each other? Or can we take a break? Or it’s, it’s in that phase. It’s really important to consider your values and say, how do I want to show up? I want to be fair. I want to connect to people. Yeah. I don’t want to be an asshole, quote unquote.
[00:27:17] Yeah. So what would that mean? And I think for everybody, there’s a, there’s a. It means something different. But to sit with that and consider that, does that make sense?
[00:27:29] CK LIN: [00:27:29] He does. Let me bring it back to you. What I heard. Okay. Let me break that down a little bit. By the way, you don’t know me that well enough.
[00:27:36] I’m not guy who like, I’m there like, Hey, that was really profound. Let me give it back to you. Are you hurt? Anyway? I’m that guy at a party even. Okay. what I heard is gay grounded. First and foremost, and then take an inventory of what your values are. Hey, I’m committed to community. I’m committed to integrity.
[00:27:53] I’m convenient, being fair, whatever your personal values are, and then operate from that point. Let me conserve my cash. Let me have a conversation with my, colleagues and negotiate what a fair terms may be, such that we can continue this. Business operation per se, or you know, let everyone go very quickly such that they are free to do whatever it is that they want to do for themselves based on your own personal values.
[00:28:21] Is that what I hear correctly?
[00:28:23] PETER MATTHIES: [00:28:23] Yes. Yeah. I’ll give you another example from my, from my own life is let’s say I’m losing a client. Yeah. And a big client, and I’m like, Holy shit. so what I usually have a tendency to do in my M O is to. Go out and sell and oversell and all those kinds of things. So if I, that’s my, usually I’m all, which a lot of people have, by the way.
[00:28:45]there’s a typical system that we have to determine that, if I operate from that way, I’m going to create, create a negative ripple effect for myself, for other people. I’m not in my power. So I realized that, and then I can switch to something which helps me, is to, to shift to contribution from, Insignificance. I’m not good enough. This is not good enough. It’s not enough to how can I contribute if I switched to that? The conversations that I have with my clients are completely different. How can I contribute to this business and your time? How can I contribute to you? I’m not coming from fear, but from a place of abundance.
[00:29:23] Because I can do that mind switch when I think of that. So it makes sense.
[00:29:27] CK LIN: [00:29:27] It does. Perfect. So now that you have, so I love that we’re kind of doing step by step. So now you have had conversation with your team. You’ve, you’ve, you have very clear, more clear direction, what the next steps are. Then you’re getting communication with your top clients from a place of service and contribution.
[00:29:46] Yeah. What happens in those conversations? I just want to make it super concrete, right? So say I call you Peter, like, Hey, Peter, top client, love to have a virtual lunch with you. What do you talk about?
[00:30:04] PETER MATTHIES: [00:30:04] Yeah. I’ll give you a concrete example because we are, obviously, there are some programs that we wanted to do in Italy, for example, which have been canceled.
[00:30:11] So I’m, I’m feeling the pinch in some levels and I’m getting new programs on another level, but we sat down with our, with our core team and said, you know what? This is, this is a crisis. Oh my God, programs are getting cancer. But at the same time. There are so much opportunity, people are going to freak out.
[00:30:27] So how can we be of contribution? Here we go to other organizations. So we started reaching out to having, having chats and asking how, what’s happening for you? How are you, how are your people doing? And so we learned from those organizations and we created a set of programs that help now specifically in this times of transition here.
[00:30:52] And we are reaching out to those organizations and saying, here are these programs, which would really help you engage your clients over distance and what we’ve heard. if you’re interested, let us know. Yeah, we would like to help you manage those situations. And we get a lot of good feedback. So it doesn’t come from the place of, Oh my God, there’s not enough.
[00:31:14] I need to somehow get this client. It really comes to, we need to. Contributes to what’s happening out there in a positive way. And in that spirit, those programs have been created and people feel that.
[00:31:27] CK LIN: [00:31:27] Yeah, you actually mentioned a really good word here. it reminds me of this quote. People don’t always remember what you do or what you say, but they’ll always remember how you make them feel, especially that at a time where, and people, you know, everyone is looking for more certainty.
[00:31:45] How we show up as leaders. I leave matters more now more than ever because they’re like everyone else who is adding to their fear and the panic and the overwhelm. They’re not gonna appreciate that in the longterm because then they’re gonna to remember how you make them feel.
[00:32:03] PETER MATTHIES: [00:32:03] Yeah, exactly. Don’t spin my wheel faster.
[00:32:06] I’m already running as fast.
[00:32:09] CK LIN: [00:32:09] Let me be that stabilizing force and bring more certainty and clarity. As beautiful. I love that. And also here in between the lines, there’s a faith in that. There’s, there’s more to go around. This is not a place of scarcity because ultimately people are still building and spending and all of that is, is that correct?
[00:32:32] I don’t want to project, but is that accurate?
[00:32:35] PETER MATTHIES: [00:32:35] Yeah, that’s actually a great point. Thanks for bringing that up, because there’s, there’s really, all our fear comes down to not enough. Yeah. It’s just, it’s our scarcity monkey mindset that we’ve been educated with that we are, we are not enough. There’s not enough money.
[00:32:50] There’s not enough love, and ultimately exit. We took it on for ourselves. So everything that we do in our world, which has fear or stress based, is based on that mindset. There’s not enough, we’re not enough. So everybody of us is running around and trying to compensate and saying, okay, I need to get enough, enough money, enough love enough.
[00:33:09] Whatever it might be. But that’s just the mindset. So the most important mind shift we can do to get in power and to build successful businesses, quite frankly, it is to shift to a mindset of enough. There isn’t there. Which is very difficult if your house is burning down. Right? but whenever you feel a fear of anything or frustration or anger or something, you will find behind that there’s something not enough of you want something to be different or there’s not enough of something.
[00:33:40] If you would put yourself into the mindset, there is enough money out there. There was enough opportunities out there. There are enough people to fall in love with. There are enough businesses to build. it, it shifts your, you can feel it in your body, how it shifts your perspective. Yeah. And if you build a business, you, you will feel in that business a pinch, something that doesn’t work out well if you have that not enough mindset.
[00:34:05] So it’s a good exercise to do. In any case, to check out how can I shift to this mindset of abundance.
[00:34:13] CK LIN: [00:34:13] So how can you shift that mindset? Because on the intellectual level, it’s, you know, you, you, you hear, Reverend Backwoods said to me by me, through me as me, right? These levels of like, ways to think about the circumstances that as happening like intellectually.
[00:34:35] Very inspiring.
[00:34:36] PETER MATTHIES: [00:34:36] Yes. Yeah.
[00:34:38] CK LIN: [00:34:38] In the fire. Right. And something that’s coming your way like is shit. So how do you, is there anything tactical that you can advise them to take on? There’s a mindset of abundance.
[00:34:53] PETER MATTHIES: [00:34:53] Yeah. Do you have a thing where you don’t feel abundance in some way or, or of concern around something in this time?
[00:35:03] Personally. Yeah. otherwise I can find something from my life.
[00:35:08] CK LIN: [00:35:08] Yeah. Nuts. I mean, so, okay. So I’ll, I’ll make it personal. So one thing that I’ll say is what spirituality did for me because I’ve been trained as a scientist and as a scientist, if you can’t see it, he can touch it as, and it doesn’t exist.
[00:35:26] But it wasn’t until I actually. has some spiritual awakening in an experience where I really like, Holy shit. There’s more to the tangible material world, right? That we’re willing to try these things on. So that part actually really helped me open my eyes to a place of abundance. Jose, there’s more than enough there.
[00:35:52] There’s not just enough. There’s like, it’s so abundant everywhere. Whether it’s the people that we love, the finances, you know, everything, everything. So, but, but that’s, that’s faith, right? Faith is in believing it without evidence.
[00:36:08] PETER MATTHIES: [00:36:08] That’s the second most important shift we can. The second most important shifts we can do, one is from not a not enough to abundance, and the other one is from where isolated too.
[00:36:17] There’s something bigger out there if we can talk about that in a second, but, but I’ll give you an example about the abundance thing. So let’s say you feel you’re running out of money, you’ve got don’t have a job, et cetera. Sure, sure. And I’m not saying that it’s easy because this is where the rubber meets the road here.
[00:36:36] And it’s always easy to say it and to actually do it. but to actually stop and realize I’m in fear right now, I’m not in my authentic power. If we don’t stop, we are on the roller coaster and life runs us. Yeah. We are. We’re not in our power anymore. So the first thing is we have to do and stop and say, I’m, I’m really afraid here.
[00:36:55] I’m, I’m running out of money. And then you can maybe realize that what does money stand for? It gives you freedom. It gives you independence, it gives you wellbeing. One of the feelings States that the money gives you, in my case, it would be independence. Yeah. so what’s really missing for you is not money, but independence.
[00:37:16] Yeah. And so by going to these feeling States, what’s, what’s, what is it actually beyond. What do you want? You’re missing a freedom. Independence. In this case, you can find freedom and independence in many ways. You can take a walk in the woods. Of course, it is not around. You can sing your throats out and sing a song or something like that.
[00:37:38] There. There are many ways that we can experience the same feeling state that money would give us. The same independence, taking a walk in the neighborhoods. Our body doesn’t distinguish whether we get it through money or through a walk in the woods. By that we nurture that feeling state that’s important to us, that the money gives us, and we become more of that.
[00:38:01] So it’s an exercise that there’s always enough of what we call essence, the feeling States that we want out there. If we can identify what those are. That makes sense.
[00:38:12] CK LIN: [00:38:12] It does. I love that. It’s similar to, if you think about money as a proxy to the, an emotional payoff that you get, right? Again, translate that to the Netflix, the chocolate, the wine, the whatever it is that you do.
[00:38:28] It’s very, very similar. Think about that is a mechanism. That’s not the thing, but what is the payoff? And then you can choose the different mechanisms that give you similar payoff, as an example,
[00:38:41] PETER MATTHIES: [00:38:41] right? Yeah. This is, this is a huge, makes a big difference. It’s a very simple concept, but. This changes the way we run organizations.
[00:38:50] This changes our lives. This essence concept is if we want to switch away from running business and dominating and making more to something that’s more life-giving, that’s the concept we can switch towards because everything we do in life, everything is to experience essences the feeling States that gives us, it gives that to us.
[00:39:08] If we want to build a beautiful house by the beach, it’s not about the house, it’s about beauty. It’s about abundance, it’s about achievement. It’s about the feeling of. I can, I can be at home here. It’s all about feelings. States in our life. Life is a feeling experience. It’s not a doing experience. So if we become aware of these essences that are really driving us, we can find that there are only about 10 to 15 that drive us for, for everything we do.
[00:39:35]CK LIN: [00:39:35] we can have one sentence, what did you say, 10 to 15,
[00:39:38] PETER MATTHIES: [00:39:38] 10 to 15 feeling States that drive us, that really are the drivers for our lives. So every decision that we make for us to have a conversation here is to fulfill the feeling state. Yeah.
[00:39:49] CK LIN: [00:39:49] Oh, that’s, that’s great. Do you have a list of those 15 States?
[00:39:53] PETER MATTHIES: [00:39:53] It’s right up on the wall. Great for me. Everybody has their own, but it’s right up on the wall. It says activity, ease, freedom, and those things.
[00:40:02] CK LIN: [00:40:02] Got it. So it’s a personal feeling state. It’s you concretize that for yourself. You got it.
[00:40:08] PETER MATTHIES: [00:40:08] you. So if I make choices in my life, I try to make them in accordance to that list.
[00:40:14] It’s a future outcome.
[00:40:17] CK LIN: [00:40:17] Okay. So if you don’t mind going a little deeper here. one of the podcasts guest Jason Nurell, he made a distinction of deliciousness versus nutritiousness, right? He says, chocolate wine, Netflix. These are delicious things. Give you a temporary state of euphoria. And then there’s, let’s say a healthy salad, delicious.
[00:40:42] But it’s nutritious, rather. It’s not as good tasting as chocolate and wine, Netflix. But holistically, it gives you that a more sustainable, a wholesome, holistic sense of wellbeing. So when you choose that emotional state that you had just talked about, how do you discern. which is, which, you don’t know what I mean?
[00:41:13] PETER MATTHIES: [00:41:13] Quite
[00:41:15] CK LIN: [00:41:15] sorry. So let me, let me see if I can clarify. Let’s say you said you more independence. Freedom, right? That’s the emotional end point that you want. but, delicious. You know, short term mechanism may be. let me, I don’t know, do other let me go to take a walk on the beach, right? This is like a, that will give you a immediate payoff of independence.
[00:41:46] And the same time, you know, you don’t want to spend all your day walking around the beach all day, right? So how do you discern how much to to take on?
[00:41:59] PETER MATTHIES: [00:41:59] Yeah. It takes, it takes some introspection. Yeah. So for example, I give you an example of that. I work with her with a woman in a large organization. Her way on top of her list was independence.
[00:42:11] Once, once she changed her job inside that organization that ultimately left, actually, independence became lower on her list because she had it. Yeah. So there are these authentic feelings States that we really desire and they don’t change. I always would like to have freedom. I always like creativity.
[00:42:27] I always like joy. Those things. I always like my part of adventure, you know? That’s, that’s really who I am and what drives me. And then there are some, which I put on top of it. If they don’t get fulfilled. Yeah. If, if, if I’m in a pinch and I’ve been locked down and co it for four weeks, freedom might kind of get, get a little more of a booster here, but I’m asking myself, if I’m in balance, would I want to have this now or am I just medicating and stuff?
[00:42:58] CK LIN: [00:42:58] Okay, great. That’s a very concrete, mental filter one could take on. Yeah. If I’m imbalanced, what I continue on this. I appreciate it. I thank you that, that’s very helpful. So you also had mentioned you want to make a second point about faith.
[00:43:15] PETER MATTHIES: [00:43:15] Yeah. I find there really, if we want to grow in our consciousness and be more empowered in the world or with our relationships, but in business as well.
[00:43:24]the one shift is from scarcity to abundance, which we’ve just talked about. The second shift is from. And understanding that we are really not who we think we are, this physical body and stuff, that there’s something bigger out there. maybe something higher that we call spirit or whatever it might be for everybody, but there’s an interconnection and that we’re not alone here and that there’s a bigger, bigger plan of all of this mess here.
[00:43:54]why is that so fundamental? Because we are not out there doing it by ourselves. Because if we don’t have that, we’re just out there making it and we’re pushing people away and the strongest person wins. And we’re creating a world that, that we see around us. If we come from a prospective of oneness, which we can talk about whether it’s true or not, everything changes because suddenly there’s a higher perspective.
[00:44:19] And even if I check out here, I’m not gone. I might come back or I’m there, my soul doesn’t die. And there is a bigger picture here that wants to be fulfilled and it’s okay. Yeah. So it gives me personally a lot of peace of mind living in that mindset.
[00:44:40] CK LIN: [00:44:40] Hmm. Let me reflect back on what I, what I hear in my own story, as a scientist, when I was younger, my perspective was, let me go make it happen.
[00:44:53] Let me meet individual, make it happen. It’s a lonely process. It was just, everything is like exerting. Everything is survival. And it wasn’t until, as I develop myself along the way, I realize I’m part of the whole, so the community, right. And also ultimately we’re all part of the collective whole. I’m a, I’m an individual wavelet out of this.
[00:45:17] Infinite ocean of consciousness. Right. So for you, Peter, had you always had this belief, the collective whole and all that, or was there a singular awakening moment that have you now believe this.
[00:45:37] PETER MATTHIES: [00:45:37] I think there was always an inkling, although I wasn’t educated with it. So I lived separated for most of my life up to probably 30 years old.
[00:45:46]there was a, there was a shifting moment when I met my mentor and friends. He’s up in Carmel and he’s a guy, who, who’s a psychic and who sees people for who they truly are. So the first time I met him, he didn’t know me. He’d never seen me before. I sit in front of him and he talks for three hours.
[00:46:03] Well, I am what my soul is here to do. What mom? By my relationship, my parents, my siblings, my conflicts that I have. And down to the T, it was like, Holy camoly, how do you know all of that? and he uses, certain mechanism or colors and in this case, to describe a personality. And it was so down to the spot that for the first time in my life at the age of 30, I felt seen for
[00:46:28] who I was.
[00:46:30] And that tremendous gift is like, this is who I am here to be. There was no question around that. So pose the two questions. The first one is, if somebody that I’ve never seen before is able to see me more than anybody that I’ve known for 30 years, what’s, what’s the implications of that? If, if he gets all that information?
[00:46:50]the second thing is if I have this personality that wants to be expressed, everybody has that. Yeah. We come to this world with our certain personality that wants to be expressed and everything in our world. urines for it. Like for you, for example, you, you have violet around you, which is, which is visionary leader personality.
[00:47:11] You need to have a purpose. You need to, you’re a visionary. You want to make a difference out there. Yeah. And it, it finds its way. And like through the cracks of a rock, it finds its way into the world. So you can start being an engineer, which is much more mental and linear. But eventually you’re violet, as I call it, kicks in and finds its well and finds its expression.
[00:47:35] So it’s your, it’s our authenticity calling us in, which we usually can’t resist.
[00:47:42] CK LIN: [00:47:42] I appreciate that. I love the concept of. It’s not exactly the same language, but similar in idea is the concept of Dharma. So I speak to people who believes in Dharma. Dharma is like, almost like a loose translation would be like a destiny, right?
[00:48:01] That, that that’s, that’s your soul’s destiny per se. But then after I delve into that even further, there’s different levels of Dharma. The first level would be just staying in life. That’s, that’s like, you know, purpose. But then there’s the Maha Dharma, like your souls, you know, mission per se. So as we move forward, you know, development as a person, as a, as a man, as a, as a husband, as an entrepreneur, at whatever identity you want to put on, then you can get closer and closer to your heart.
[00:48:32] DAMA. So I appreciate the way that you articulated. the purple is. Seeping through the cracks and appreciate that. Thank you. So someone who is resonating with this particular conversation, what are some of the criteria for them to, that they should pay attention to a particular voice, particular teacher, particular guide.
[00:48:57] Cause there are so many different voices out there, especially on the internet. Right? So do you have any mental models that help them discern. Hey, you should listen to this particular voice versus all the noises out there.
[00:49:11] PETER MATTHIES: [00:49:11] Yeah, it’s, it’s, I think it’s really personal. I’ll speak to somebody. I’ll give you an example.
[00:49:16] My wife, she teaches dance and teaches a bunch of children and she says certain things, and then she brings a friend and who’s a beautiful. Strong guy and he says exactly the same thing and all the kids are going, Oh my God, talk. And she said, well, I’m not chopping meteor. I think we all need to find that person that truly resonates with us.
[00:49:40] For me, it’s individual. I have my, I very much resonated with Neil Donald Walsh, just books in the beginning.
[00:49:46] CK LIN: [00:49:46] I love that this conversation with God. Such a higher vibration. Yeah.
[00:49:53] PETER MATTHIES: [00:49:53] Yeah. And I could tell us a new earth I really like a lot. that’s why we’ve created in the conscious business Institute.
[00:50:00] That’s why we’ve created these programs, because we wanted to make these, these. Like these human teachings, these spiritual teachings available for the business world and create a system around that where we can actually build purpose driven organizations. So it’s not just woo stuff, but where we can actually put it on the ground.
[00:50:20]and what I’ve been missing when I was a venture capitalist is, is to find a pathway to get me from where I was to where I wants to be. It within the business context. I could, I could go to yoga retreats, I could drive to Sri Lanka and go, go to Vega thing is, or I could listen to a katala. It would all help me.
[00:50:38] But going back Monday morning into the workplace was always tough for me because we switched the system. And so what we’ve basically created as a is a curriculum or pathway that gets people in the professional world from where they are to a more. Yeah. Fulfilled soul center, just more inspiring way of working and doing business.
[00:51:01] CK LIN: [00:51:01] I love that. The way our language it is you’re essentially bridging the physical realm and Astro realm, right? So that way it’s very actionable. It’s more concrete because we do live in this three physical realm and it’s, it’s okay to have, you know, and. You know, a cerebral understanding of all that, but ultimately how to, in my mind, part of the reason why I’m so keen on actionable tactics is such that we can bridge how do we take these insights into our lives?
[00:51:37] Because as someone who loves transformation and healing and ceremony and all these things, my, I believe my job is to. To, to bridge. Right. The insights and the, and then the behavior such that we can actually change people’s lives and, and, and, and not change, not improve people’s lives the way they, they want you.
[00:52:03] Right. So I wrote outside, really appreciate the way you articulated.
[00:52:06] PETER MATTHIES: [00:52:06] Yes. Yeah. And those are the critical situations. I mean, we can all go to yoga retreat some. But when, when money runs out, when our relationships are and havoc, when our health doesn’t have our, when our businesses, we need to meet the goals.
[00:52:19] That’s, that’s where we need to make it work now I believe. So it’s kind of, that’s. Yeah. It’s just to have an an earth component. We need to bring it on the earth. So a lot of people we work with is about building purpose driven organizations, but many people talk about it. So what we kind of developed as a way, this is a step by step approach to get there, you know, to get to make those higher principles applicable to our day to day work.
[00:52:47] CK LIN: [00:52:47] you feel that in terms of who. This these ideas appeals to do you feel a uprise? More requests, more desire for this type of philosophical, holistic. Philosophy.
[00:53:06] PETER MATTHIES: [00:53:06] There’s, there’s a huge, not just uprise, but when I, again, years back when I was as a venture capitalist, I noticed that again, 90% of the people really want to do something different.
[00:53:19] If you would give him a check and say, you can stay or you can leave, there would be out the door. In a minute. So, and that’s very sad because we all want to work with fulfillment. We all want to make a difference. We all want to show up and do something cool. We all want to connect with other people.
[00:53:35] And the workplace could be an amazing place to do that. So when we go into organizations and speak to people about these opportunities that it could be possible, and here’s a pathway to do that. Do it. And talk about fulfillment. Talk about connection, talk about purpose. There. Fully on board. So we just, we just completed the program with a big, big organization in, in, in Europe.
[00:53:58]and we, we had about 70 seats available and there were, I mean, register on a first come first basis and, and it was sold out in two days. It was just done because there was such a yearning in organizations to work in a better way. Yeah. It’s a, it’s a big pressure.
[00:54:18] CK LIN: [00:54:18] Yeah. Do you, so, so if you look at sort of the marketing, awareness framework for a moment, so there’s the problem on aware, problem, aware, solution aware, and then, specifically looking for you.
[00:54:30] Right. Do you feel that most business owners are in the problem aware or solution aware. Space.
[00:54:42] PETER MATTHIES: [00:54:42] I think the problem with place, yeah, because they’re looking about like talent. Engagement is a huge issue, especially with millennials. We talked again to a large airline manufacturer and they are there.
[00:54:56] Losing 40000% of 40,000 of their people. They expect of 140,000 people organization. That’s a huge amount during the next year due to age, but also not hiring new people because they don’t want to work there. That’s a huge problem. So they know that they have to change their culture. They know they have to lead in a different way.
[00:55:18] So they’re very problem oriented and they’re trying, they’re just saying, you need to be more flexible. You need to. Deal with uncertainty when different leadership style, but how that, this is a fundamental shift of thinking. Many of them don’t quite grasp what it entails to do that. So they’re looking for change solutions.
[00:55:41] Many, many organizations. But change is always doing something better and doing something more, doing something different, but not transformation. Change is always a little improvement within the same thinking. Yeah. So let me give you an example. If you think of companion calls, for example, 15th century,
[00:56:03] CK LIN: [00:56:03] think about where
[00:56:05] PETER MATTHIES: [00:56:05] co-panelists in the 15th century.
[00:56:07] He thought about the world being round instead of flat, right? So everybody was thinking the world was flat. So in that context, if you want to go to India of find new things, you would have to go westwards from Spain. Yeah, there’s no way you would go East towards, because he would fall off the earth.
[00:56:25] That’s where many companies are. They think, Oh, we have to go westwards we have to go. Westwards the thinking change that the world was round opened up in the completely new opportunity that you could go. Actually the other way around. Eastwards and by that opened up enormous opportunities for the Spanish people discovering America.
[00:56:45] So, so, It’s to shift from wanting to change something to really understand what is transformation, how can I transform my organization, and what is the huge possibility that comes from that if I do that, because there always is, and many people struggle with that little distinguished distis distinction there.
[00:57:09] CK LIN: [00:57:09] Well. Yeah, because it’s taking the leap of faith, right? It’s, it’s not knowing what this is going to do because they’ve never been there. Again, very similar to the covert situation. Right? I don’t know what’s going to happen. Do I just trust Peter or CK? Right?
[00:57:27] PETER MATTHIES: [00:57:27] This Fox that
[00:57:29] CK LIN: [00:57:29] fucks up my business then, then we’re all fucked.
[00:57:32] Right? So, okay, so
[00:57:36] PETER MATTHIES: [00:57:36] here’s the deal. Most people don’t know it exists. Yeah. What, what we all can do, and this is, I think the challenge that we’re in front of is most people will look at, I know stuff and if I want to do stuff, I can just change something. So for example, if you would want to learn how to fly an airplane, you would know what to do, right?
[00:57:55] You would go to school, you would learn and eventually would fly an airplane. But there’s, the innovation really happens in this space where we don’t know that. We don’t know. Yeah. So can you tell me anything that you don’t know that you don’t know?
[00:58:09] CK LIN: [00:58:09] Of course not. Cause I don’t know.
[00:58:12] PETER MATTHIES: [00:58:12] There’s something that we don’t even know exists.
[00:58:16] So if we don’t know, America exists because we’ve never been there. So what we can explore as leaders is to, to work with people that can show us. The space that there is something that they, that they don’t know yet. That’s, that’s what we really do with organizations. And when we do that, they see, Oh my God, there’s such an opportunity here, which we never knew existed.
[00:58:39] CK LIN: [00:58:39] I like that. So you’re leveraging, it’s actually, it’s so social proof, basically like, Hey, here’s someone else who’s done it. They follow these tracks, it’s safe. The water’s okay. You won’t die in there without a program kind of a thing. So let me ask you a quick question, actually. Cause you, you had mentioned, I think it was before the earlier part of our call, the idea, I don’t know if you read the books that can mountain yet.
[00:59:09] It’s a beautiful book. Talking about the last name of the author is Brooks, I believe so. He, his assertion is effectively, we have two parts of a life. The first part of alive is focusing on getting success, external validation and so forth. That’s the first mountain, and then once you reached the peak at the first mountain, they realize.
[00:59:33] Success isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be. Then you start your second mountain is the pursuit of fulfillment and meaning and then purpose. So, so here’s, so that’s the context. The question I have is, is that you’ve been a venture capitalists, you’ve been in private equity, you’ve been an entrepreneur, so you’re climbing your first mountain, right?
[00:59:55] And then you had some awakening you like, this is. Kind of empty. Right. And then you started to pursue fulfillment. So for people who haven’t climbed their first mountain per se, do you feel that they can effectively skip the first mountain and then go directly to the second mountain?
[01:00:17] PETER MATTHIES: [01:00:17] I believe so. because, I wanted to be successful, but from day one I was unfulfilled.
[01:00:25] I didn’t really need the first mountain, but I didn’t know that there was a different way. I think if I knew that there was a second mountain that I could actually combine six and it’s not not about not being successful on the second mountain. The second mountain is to combine fulfillment with success.
[01:00:42] If I knew the second mountain existed, I would have concentrate there and I think many people today would as well. Yeah. Not all. I think many still would want to climb the first mountain because they feel that they need the money or the success or the Pat on the shoulders or whatever, but I think many would.
[01:01:01] CK LIN: [01:01:01] Hmm. What are some of the, because you have a framework to help entrepreneurs effectively. Create their second mountain right off the bat, or transition or pivot from the pursuit of profit to both success and fulfillment, right? What would be is a first step that they can take other than taking your course or through your workshop.
[01:01:29] Right? So that’s an obvious thing, right? But other than that, what’s the first thing that they can try to take that step to make their first pivot.
[01:01:40] PETER MATTHIES: [01:01:40] I believe it’s to know in their hearts that they’re, they can go straight to the second mountain. There is a way to work in a better way. Yeah.
[01:01:50] CK LIN: [01:01:50] I believe just to change a belief there is a way, that first
[01:01:55] PETER MATTHIES: [01:01:55] thing, just knowing, not just believing, but knowing.
[01:01:58] Yeah. So if I kind of knew that it was out there because I felt in my gut, but I didn’t see any, any possibility of that. So I created it for myself, which took many years. We don’t need to go through that crap, everybody, but, to, to allow yourself to. Full on belief that you can go straight for the second mountain.
[01:02:20] It is possible and there’s a way to do it. The second point is to find people who have actually done it. Yeah. Yvon Chouinard, for example of Patagonia, maybe one people that you admire. There are some who’ve done it, not too many that are popular, but like Richard Branson, for example. Yeah. There are examples, and to make those people your, your new cornerstones.
[01:02:46] Yeah. Via proof of concept kind of people and say, Oh, this is how it works. So it can, the whole belief can grow into your system that your entire emotional system stuff integrating it. Yeah. And then maybe look for the components that make it work for you, whether it’s health programs or something else, it doesn’t matter.
[01:03:08] CK LIN: [01:03:08] Let me recap what you said. All right. So first, not just know it, sorry. Not just believe it, but know it. Internalize it. I’m going to ask you exactly how to do that in a moment, but also find mentors or people that you admire. Role models, the Richard Branson’s, the founder of Patagonia as an example who are, who have chartered the path already, right?
[01:03:30] But at the same time, the third step is to find allies who are on the same path. As well. So joining your program, joining my program, similar things like that, they find allies who can, who are on the path as well. Is that an accurate reflection of where you said.
[01:03:46] PETER MATTHIES: [01:03:46] Yes. Yeah. Buckminster fuller says environmental is stronger than willpower, so if we need to have some allies, whether it’s books or movies, or mentors or people that, that, that we can walk with that we can share the past with.
[01:04:00] If we don’t have that, our environment has a tendency to pull us back. Yeah. So that’s important.
[01:04:08] CK LIN: [01:04:08] One
[01:04:09] PETER MATTHIES: [01:04:09] thing I might
[01:04:11] CK LIN: [01:04:11] go ahead. What did you say?
[01:04:12] PETER MATTHIES: [01:04:12] Might just be one person. It doesn’t really matter who it is, but something that we can resonate with.
[01:04:19] CK LIN: [01:04:19] Yeah. I think one thing that it’s easy for overachievers, especially if we’re fraught with this, is like, Hey, only I can do it.
[01:04:30] So this quote comes to mind. If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together. That’s the thing that I, that reminds me, cause this is very easy to get into our head and just say I’m going to do it. But it’s also fraught with, our own emotional mental chatter. So definitely find minimally one person that you can do a travel buddy.
[01:04:55] Minimally, but
[01:04:57] PETER MATTHIES: [01:04:57] even the people that are geniuses and they’re going by themselves, they have people that inspire them that they can. There’s a resonance with other people. If they are resonating on a, on a C-sharp, they find other people that resonate on the, on the C sharp. So they are. There is something going on.
[01:05:12] They’re not hanging out with a B flat people.
[01:05:16] CK LIN: [01:05:16] I love that you brought music and that’s really great. That’s awesome. Do you play music by the way? I got curious.
[01:05:24] PETER MATTHIES: [01:05:24] Not so much anymore, but I used to. Yeah. Now I’m hanging out with this thing. You a couple of header bidding boat.
[01:05:31] CK LIN: [01:05:31] Yeah. Actually let me, let me ask you a quick question cause you had put that in your bio so.
[01:05:38] How do you bring the Ikea dough and a cup of soda, and is that helping your pursuit of being that conscious entrepreneurial warrior path.
[01:05:50] PETER MATTHIES: [01:05:50] Yeah, it is. I did the martial arts analogy a little earlier, but I realized the night Quito when I started doing it, because it’s not about entering into a conflict or fighting it or nor withdrawing it, it’s to flow with the conflict that I, it rippled over into my dreams that I was reacting differently to pressure with that I had in my dreams.
[01:06:10] And I said, wow, this is, this is kind of powerful stuff. And I realized that being on the mat. Which I mentioned earlier, we’re really on the mat in our life here. We’re getting constantly attacked with, with knives, with et cetera, just in a verbal way or in a, in a. Like with our lives in an emotional way.
[01:06:28] Oftentimes I realized that you can actually flow with these things and have a lot of fun if you learn how to play Ikea, or you can be attacked with three people that have weapons and you can have total fun with it, and you can totally flow with those guys, and not, not feel attacked and not feel reactive to them.
[01:06:48] So the whole idea that there could be intense conflicts out there and you can actually enjoy it. Being part of that, that was something that tweaked my mind and to learn that, you know, I, KIDO is to integrate it into the body and to react to that in a different way. Again, it’s changes the mindset.
[01:07:09] CK LIN: [01:07:09] Thank you for sharing that. I ask a little bit of a leading question there because I resonate with it so much. It’s one thing to have a theoretical conversation about, Facing your adversity, facing difficulty facing harsher faced buyer. It’s another step into the ring and you actually sparring someone even when you’re being pummeled by your opponent.
[01:07:33] And how do you actually remain calm? The area, during that time, Mike Tyson says the best, everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face, right? Yeah. So, so, so having a physical practice to me is very important, not just on the physical side, but also on the spiritual side as well. And emotional side too.
[01:07:55] So I wanted to kind of give you an opportunity to talk about that a bit. Why, why. Because you made a conscious decision to create this conscious business Institute. Talk about that a little bit because most people, when they think business, just a instrument to make a living, to make profits and its job is to maximize profits, right?
[01:08:22] Talk to us about conscious business. What’s for you in means and why you wanted to do more of that.
[01:08:32] PETER MATTHIES: [01:08:32] Yeah, that’s a, that’s a big question. First it’s. It came to me rather the other than the other way around. I was always looking for better ways to do business from, as I mentioned, from day one at Anderson consulting, I said, this is not this, this could, it could, it could be so much better.
[01:08:50] And I kept looking for it and I couldn’t find it. And then eventually I jumped in 2003 and in 2004 sitting on a plane to do a workshop in North Carolina. I’m dozing by the, by the window at six in the morning, I got, I got this inside conscious business Institute and I said, bam, this, this is it. This is what I want to do with my life.
[01:09:11] It, it just totally shocked me up. Have no idea what to do with that at that time. So it took her courage. but again, this idea came to me rather than the other way around. And I know that I’m supposed to do this here. And at first I had no idea what it was because conscious business that the term wasn’t around.
[01:09:29] I’ve never heard it before. There was nothing out. The book wasn’t out, et cetera. So to define what that actually is and what it means is, is took quite a little bit of time. To me conscious, everything comes down to consciousness, the way we run our businesses, whether we have money or not, whether we do well, we have good relationships.
[01:09:49] In the end, it all comes down to consciousness because our consciousness is what creates our reality. Yeah. If I go into the world thinking that all my employees are, are. Slackers and I need to push them to get things done. That’s how I will show up. This is how the culture of my organization will look like if I have a different consciousness and think, well, these guys might have a hard time at home and.
[01:10:14] Might not be willing to work here, but they’re inherently able and capable to show up and do something cool. I would show up completely different than the culture that I would create would be totally different. So for everything in our life, it’s simply a reflection of our consciousness. Every conflict that we have is a reflection of our consciousness.
[01:10:34] Everything that we create beautiful in our life as a reflection of where we are in our consciousness. So our success in life stops growing where we have stopped growing as individuals. And so for me, the entryway consciousness is really the entry way to examine that. And to expand our consciousness and then find that everything that we create, we’ll, we’ll expand through that as well.
[01:10:59] And then obviously the tail of that is how do we bring this into teams? How do we bring this into organizational practices, et cetera, et cetera.
[01:11:08] CK LIN: [01:11:08] I love that. Thank you so much for sharing that. reminds me of another quote. Nicole Bradford, tip of my tongue. Transformational technology conference, DTC.
[01:11:21] She said, we make what we are. Everything that we do in our business is the amplification of our consciousness. You know, if you changing an analogy at a bit. our consciousness is essentially like a, like a sunglasses that we wear. If we look at the world through a lens of everyone is a slacker.
[01:11:40] Everything that I do is going to be a dressing that everyone says, slacker versus, everyone inherently wanted do good in the world. I want to contribute, want to be of service, and, and then everything that I do would be to address that. So beautifully said. Thank you so much, Peter. Yeah.
[01:11:59] PETER MATTHIES: [01:11:59] Yeah. Yeah. Maybe on top of that is that, you know, if you look at Bruce Lipton’s work at 95% of what we create in our 95% of our decision choices is subconscious, and only 5% is conscious.
[01:12:14] So we are really remote control beings, if you want to call it at that. Yeah. So that’s why consciousness is so important, because if we want to tap into those 95% and maybe change the remote control a little bit, it all comes down to be becoming more conscious.
[01:12:33] CK LIN: [01:12:33] Even fall, my friend, well, my jam is consciousness, innovation business, so I can’t, and then biohacking, like in martial arts is how we can.
[01:12:44] I don’t know about you, but I can jam with you for hours and hours, but I want to be super respectful of your time. Okay. So we have many, many different topics. We’ll talk about the nature of consciousness. We talked about your origin story with talk a little bit about martial arts. We’ve talked about some tactical ways one could do to ground themselves and sentence itself in a time of great uncertainty.
[01:13:06] What else did we talk about? We talked about, ways to. Find different teachers and allies along the way. Right. We also had talked about your program, how you construct and design the program. So out of everything that we talked about, what’s one thing if they leave with just this one thing, out of everything that we talked about would be the first step to implement, to experiment, to, to, to operationalize this conversation.
[01:13:37] What would that be?
[01:13:39] PETER MATTHIES: [01:13:39] Oh, it’s not going to be very exciting, but maybe to stop,
[01:13:46] to stop and to again to become aware, because again, as I just mentioned, we are usually remote controlled. We are just rattling along. I find myself on this chair here. Wanting to get up and make another phone call without knowing why, we’re super remote controlled, and if we don’t stop and realize what’s actually happening in this moment that I might be sad or compensating for something or overworked, then the train has run away at that point.
[01:14:13] So if we want to make something, go into a different direction with that train, we need to find that stopping point. And find a moment of quietness or find a moment of centeredness and check in with ourselves and say, okay, now how can I operate differently? Maybe right now,
[01:14:31] CK LIN: [01:14:31] take a pause, reflect, how do I.
[01:14:35] Take a different action right now. So, Peter, for people that want to follow you, follow your story, join a program, where do we send them to you?
[01:14:45] PETER MATTHIES: [01:14:45] it’s, it’s either your conscious business institute.com that’s one word, long, long word, conscious business institute.com. And there’s everything on there about our programs, about, signing up for the newsletter, et cetera.
[01:15:00] CK LIN: [01:15:00] Beautiful Peter, I really acknowledge you for just showing up with the open heart, open mind. You know, we went a lot of different spaces as we had talked about, and thank you for being willing to dance with me in this very free form improvisational conversation. And thank you for sharing just, your wisdom from a place of experience.
[01:15:20] You know, you did a lot of different things. Now you’re crafting a path to the second mountain where people can achieve both success and fulfillment. So it’s not either or. It’s both. just really appreciate you showing up as a leader during this time. Awesome. Thank you so much.
[01:15:37] PETER MATTHIES: [01:15:37] Yeah. Thank you CK for putting this together and for walking this path here.
[01:15:42] Really want to acknowledge you for that to really appreciate it.
[01:15:45] CK LIN: [01:15:45] With that said, guys, go out on and, and, do what Peter tells you and check out the conscious business Institute.