Nov. 25, 2019

046 Jan Lucanus: How a World Champion Engineer His Breakthroughs?

3X Tai Chi World Champion, Jan Lucanus coaches Tai Chi as a human performance tool. Tai Chi is an ancient Chinese martial art. In regards to ancient teachings, we are reframing older language to suit the modern mind.  Jan works with top athletes,...

Tai Chi is an ancient Chinese martial art. In regards to ancient teachings, we are reframing older language to suit the modern mind.  3X Tai Chi World Champion, Jan Lucanus coaches Tai Chi as a human performance tool.  Jan works with top athletes, CEOs, and those seeking access to practical power in daily life.


  • Taichi as a high-performance tool
  • Taichi as a practice to claim energetic space and maintain mental control
  • Taichi expands the perception of time
  • How he transformed himself physically, mentally, emotionally, and in business through taichi
  • Relaxation, weightlifting, competing in push-hands are all about repetition and interval training
  • Drilling to push yourself through the edge
  • Refine your approach by drilling with people of different skill level and weight level and flexibility


The path to world class includes going through intimidation and hesitation

The difference between 1st place and 2nd place is astronomical.

If you really know how to deal with pressure, it shouldn’t matter how much heavier the other person is.

Because of taichi, I am not scared of 280lb opponent.

I run to get my ass kicked as often as I could in order to grow as much as possible.



Jan's parents both trained Tai Chi & Kung Fu, and raised him around their masters in New York's Chinatown.  Jan studied directly under masters from a range of disciplines, including Shaolin monks Shi Yan Ming and Shi Xing Peng, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Professor John Machado, and Lama Kung Fu Master David Ross.  Jan also fought semi-pro Sanshou (Chinese Kickboxing mixed with Mongolian Wrestling) under renowned Beijing Coach Li Ti Liang on the NY International Sanshou Team under Captain Novell G. Bell.  Jan was privileged to study Wu Style Tai Chi under Sifu Keith Tong (lineage to Grandmaster Wu Gong Yi), Liu Ho Ba Fa Water Boxing under Sifu Cheng Ki Chang, and Reverse-Breathing Yang Style Tai Chi under Grandmaster William C. C. Chen (disciple of Grandmaster Cheng Man-ch'ing). In 2004, Jan was recruited onto the US Tai Chi Push Hands Team by Push Hands World Champion, coach, and chess prodigy Josh Waitzkin.  Jan was later elected Captain of the US Tai Chi Push Hands Team (2009-2011) and coached the team alongside his father, World Champion Jan C. Childress.

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Tai Chi is can be considered this ancient Chinese system. And it's it's very much a martial art or was very much developed as a martial art. In the States, it's widely known as I think for anyone over 77 years old or some way that's like the number one way to regain balance. But outside of the states, people of all ages do it. In Taiwan, especially, you'll see like six year olds doing Tai Chi, you know, the China and China and Taiwan. But like, kids start young, and they're doing push hands and like, you know, my bitey shoshanna their coaches, grade schoolers and high schoolers and they're all doing this and it's a safe, fun way to manipulate the space control like weight, understanding how to claim space, slow yourself down and speed up your perception of time.

Again, I liken it to mindful wrestling because it's, you know, you're moving slow at first and then when you start doing the sports stuff becomes more competitive and athletic. But it's it's one of my favorite things to share. And by that's one of the things that really always blew my mind about demystifying Tai Chi is that it's not magic, its timing its precise, angular understanding.

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Yeah, and I can show you we slow down their videos and like I was still the most from her and I have our whole new york team now.

CK LIN 1:48
great artists steal.

Oh yeah. But next year, I hope to be in Taiwan. 2020 for the World Cup in October, which is what it happens every two years. tyskie World Cup so It's just it's an amazing game and any athlete, it'll enhance any app, any person's abilities, it just enhances people. And that's, that's why I focus more on. on using it as a human performance tool. And the, the amount, the range of push has enough experience in my life. I liken it to, and I've been calling it like mindful wrestling, because it spans a spectrum from holistic, all the way to athletic. And it's just if you look at it from a from a lens, if you look at it from a performance enhancing lens, it's amazing. If you start looking at it, say okay, well, these much of the comments on YouTube are these guys just pushing each other around, and they don't understand exactly what they're looking at. So therefore, they're they're processing it from a different place and yeah, You know, when I look at I used to fight sanchow for the time on it was the Beijing coach and I got pulled on his team when I was 18. So you know, I know I know the value of taking a punch and and learning how to take a punch and how to get out of the way of taking a punch and that with the character built thinking much yeah thing every once you get punched in the face.

But I think that what we see now and the science of fighting has has advanced so much, especially the last seven years. As a matter fact, one of my buddies who stayed with me pushing for Brendan wafers, a UFC fighter and Strikeforce. He came in and I still post the video with him because he, anytime I invite a top level athlete to come in, I asked them to share because what we're doing is we're building we're saying Tai Chi is not a Or it's tough when you use Tai Chi, and when you use a term that someone else believes is something and then you see it as something else. And now you have conflict. Because they're like, no, it's this thing that's not Tai Chi. So, whatever. That's why I say whatever we're doing is not going to be called Tai Chi in the future. It's it's something that is foundational to all human movement. People aren't, aren't taught how to stand how to walk necessarily, in terms of best practices for that. Yeah. And when you when you find and also the primal, the primal aspects of where what waitress distribution does, how it affects a room, how your way to distributed affects everybody in the room.

And we talked a lot about like claiming space etc. Like, you know, claiming spaces in and holding space. These are very particular things that that we experience and when someone walks into a room and you feel that commanding presence there are so many factors at hand that but to be able to help guide and share what I feel will be and find other like minded individuals that also have different expertise that can help build out the understanding of this because there's only so much that I you know that I am you know and and we need other people to come in and that's not say that it's only me doing this but you know,

you know in January to show Chen and, and his college, put out a list of all the top all the folks that you should talk to in the world for sports tie push hands and like I'm the only guy living in the states listed, you know, the other guy who's American is in Taiwan, which we show and, and he's great Casey paint great guy. So in terms of like promoters work actively promoting across the world There's a, you know, people care people care about elevating the sport and elevating the art. Yeah. So I don't want to go off into a long, long winded tangent, but I'd love to. I'd love to get some of your guidance on what to share. And

CK LIN 6:14
yeah, sure. So let me actually set it this way. I'm really excited to have Jen here with us. And why I should tell you why. Jen, as well as telling you the audience member jen is a master of his craft, specifically tied to you I want to talk about and when i when i what i really appreciate about you, is not only you are very skilled at the technicality of Tai Chi, but also contextually you share a lexicon, right there's a language how you talk about moves and and also how it applies to, as you said earlier, the presence we enter a room when you enter a ring when you do competitive sports. Right now and I'm in the middle of learning how to box and,

and you're right. It's beautiful to learn how to take a punch, right and but from interacting with you the conversations I, we also get to this space of the art of learning because as a huge part is not just the specific time he moves on I'm interested in I'm interested in the meta, the learning process, how a top master think about learning and teaching and transmitting that knowledge to another person. I think that that's that's the most compelling thing about you actually, when I first met you because I can hear and feel that you deeply think about this and you deeply think about how to transmit, transfer the knowledge into people or interested? Why don't we start there? Because you actually said a quote to me, which I really, like you said, is an astronomical difference between first place in the second place. And at first hand. It doesn't make sense. So why don't you explain that a little bit more contextually? What do you mean by that?

Sure. Firstly, I like to say is that I would I still don't frame myself as a master. Yeah. I call myself coach. I've been called coach. I like, I like that term. Yeah. And one day, I hope to call myself a master maybe. Yeah, so we'll see what happens.

CK LIN 8:41
Well, actually, on that note, real quick. To me, a signal indicator of a master is someone who considered him or her a wise student. If you tell me you are a master automatically, you're not a master to me. You know what I mean? Any master truly that I mean A lot of the podcast guests that I have in the past whatever they may be a master musician, a master entrepreneur and master hedge fund manager. It doesn't matter like they are very accomplished in their craft in the thing that I noticed most about them these noble warriors that I interview are also wise students? thank you for that.

I appreciate that. I think one thing I am a master of is the smoothie. Yeah, we're drinking some. I consider myself a master of this movie. But, you know, anyway,

CK LIN 9:35
going back to that quote,

so that quote is pulled directly I have the art of learning. Right, right. And they're meant to bring it out. Josh, his book, Josh waitzkin. This book, The Art of learning, I highly recommend anybody to so I'll say this. I've never read the book. I have a signed copy in there from this like party that he threw it for launched.

CK LIN 9:53
I read the book.

I listen to the book on tape, and the honorable and You know, took me years to Joshua, you start reading my notes. And I finally listened to it probably four or five years ago. Because Tim, you know, he's real close with Tim Ferriss, and then Tim convinced him to, to narrate the book himself. And I was like, Oh, well, all right, fine. It's Josh narrating the book. And, you know, we shot most of the video. Most of the competitions he's talking about, not all of them exist on video, we shot them What buddy shot them while we were in training camp in Taiwan, for the for World Cup. So that quote comes from Josh and that book, and I don't want to misquote him, but it's essentially the difference between number one and number two is astronomical and I loved when I hit me so hard when I heard him say that in the book and the lifestyle changes that are required to go from from Number two to number one and as the guy who you know lost the 2010 World Cup by one point I really that hit me so hard. I watch myself You can go online and see that that match. I watch myself underperforming and in that match I watch myself missing opportunities. And I say to myself hesitation is what needs to be purged their longer form pattern recognition and I different lifestyle leading up to that event because the lifestyle leading up to it that essentially affects you the most

CK LIN 11:46
rome wasn't made in a day.

Exactly. Yeah. So so to speak on that is still a bit challenging for me because I'm still in the process of making those changes. And whether it's 2020 when I go out to the world cup or the next time that I do go out there with with the team, I would like to go out there with you know, do a full documentary with the team and, and really expose that to the, to the west and this to the USA saying it in a stronger way. But I'll have to implement that. And I've already been making the changes for the last few years ever since I that quote, hit me hard. And I spoke to Josh and in New York, you know, several times our sons played together a bit and Josh and Dan are the assistant coach Dan, those are their brothers and they're like the only two guys I call my big brothers. So yeah, and that's, that's not a title that I give away at all anymore because of how much power it gives away. But, you know, there might be brothers, you know,

CK LIN 12:56
what is the difference between the first place second place

Again, I would I would, I would say read Josh his book and how he describes it. But he it's it's it's what's your first thoughts on the day it's how you schedule your day. It's It's what? It's engineering, the breakthroughs that you need to end it because you're going to have the breakthroughs you need the breakthroughs. So you have to have the the lifestyle that engineers the breakthroughs that are essentially where you can predict we're gonna have a breakthrough Today, we're gonna have this breakthrough tomorrow we're gonna have this and not necessarily know exactly what it is but to have that, that precise schedule, the hype sighs

CK LIN 13:41
but how do you do that? Like, I mean role? Sure, absolutely. I'm dedicated to my craft, or they'd be a podcasting entrepreneur, holding space for people and transformational retreat that a whole like I'm there, right. But how tactically Could I try out

So I can only speak from myself experimenting with new formulas. Yeah. So you know, there's a period of time where I was meditating too much, you know, when I said too much I was spending like two hours in the morning sitting in meditation kind of messed me up, around outside and also it was also taking hard impact of the hats sparring super hard. And, you know, I had this, I was very fortunate because I was running off an investment capital for like, my production company. And, and so between training and, and work, I had a very closed ecosystem of my Okay, this is what I'm doing. I had to break those patterns. And just really look at what felt right. And there's to certain extent, there's journalists that helped me identify patterns and there's making my meditation is more efficient spending time to do to do journeys, at least once a week. And when I say journeys, I think there are many ways to, to take a journey. But to sit in the evening in a meditative space, and and to do your best to, to, to allow information to come in and to move with it. So I think tactically it's it's analyzing yourself and, and analyzing what feels right, that intuitive sensation in Deepak Chopra I think in the seven laws of spiritual seven spiritual laws of success, it's actually I'm not a I don't read a lot of Deepak at all, God bless him. But that book resonated with me. And yeah, it talks about this The feeling that everyone has a an intuitive the gut feeling or the heart feeling when it wherever it is in the body that you might experience in

CK LIN 16:07
pain and knowing

it's a sensation that will feel good when you're doing the thing you should be doing. And then it will feel won't feel good when you're doing anything else. And how to get that out, turn the volume up on that, to me has been one of the best performance enhancers. And the more I've turned the volume up on my intuition. I've seen my life shift. And I've you know, and you and I were talking yesterday, like in general, I'm very grateful for my daily life because I walk around and great things happen all the time. It's like It's awesome, you know, and it wasn't always like that I used to hate going to school I hate being alive at one point I thought about like suicide when I was 11 you know, I was a little fat kid for a while and and what that that fat represented was a bunch of pain. Attempting to protect myself from the world. And so there's a lot of stuff going on and to have have that shift in life from making the choices that put you into your, into a purpose into your truth into your, the thing you're here to do when I found that through filmmaking and Tai Chi both of those things started supercharged in my life and when I had those good feelings and that positive feedback loop focusing more on that and how to expand that because it's not all just one thing, it's actually all the things that surround it to.

Exactly so. Getting to that space is to me is a massive part of of having the breakthroughs and having being able to to elevate yourself to a place where you know we had that I run a media company and we have you know, comic book publishing arm we floated to number one downloads in you know, on on the number one Digital comic book app for a project called justice for hire, which is the series of producing now. So live action series. So I didn't know how to engineer that you just happened. And so when we slid out of first place after three months was awesome, that were there for that long. You know, there's there was a certain fear of how to maintain number one. The day we hit number one, I was hit with the fear of how to maintain it was like,

CK LIN 18:31

immediate fear. And, you know, I was like, 27, you know, so I'm like, sitting there trying to figure this out and my and I was in the space yet to really look at why it was working. And I think sometimes just takes time for you to to remove yourself from the pattern and then look at it and say, Okay, these are the things that work. These are the things that didn't work, and let's remember move those do more of these and then how do we supercharged that? What are the practices and my 11? Men I consistently look at, you know, whatever your physical wellness, like Mind Body practices, I think everyone needs one. And how are you asking yourself how are you serving the world? Think is a major component of my opinion getting to number one at least now. I think we're shifting into a, into a world where we're honest, honest, leadership is absolutely necessary. And I think the number ones have up tomorrow are going to be the most the ones who are the most transparent, the ones who are the most open and serving the world. So um, so I feel like I'm hoping that's, that's that's a strong enough answer to something that I feel like I still need to learn from and even talk to Josh about some of his practices because he sits with you know, CEOs and top athletes and helps to guide that process right his high performance coach Yeah,

CK LIN 20:04
yeah his job his job, his job is a high performance yeah is to help people get to that flow state. Yeah. So, one of the framework that I teach people is high performance or performance equals flow minus interference. So, what I hear you know, kind of looping into what you share is sit, meditate and self examine what the interference may be. And then and then actively think about or, you know, assess ways to remove the barriers, the interference, whatever it is that you do, but let me challenge that a little bit. Right. So, because part of the, the neurosis of the mind is you can rationalize, justify anything and everything. So, how do you discern, how do you find that a toolman of Am I just might fucking myself worse is this is my inner knowing let me follow that.

So I mean, I totally get it I want to I want to throw one little variable in that someone gave me that I that I came across probably last year but it someone gave it to me and my friend Stacy who you just met earlier this year is looking at the mind as a tool. And because I think sometimes you get caught in your thoughts and then obviously you think you are those thoughts you are the mind. And anytime I switches that load of recognizing that it's simply one of the tools just like my limbs are and if I need to keep my limbs at my side, I can drop the breath I can. That's what I recognize, oh, I do the same thing with the mind. Everything just stops.

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CK LIN 22:22
but but it's easy to say it's tough to get there,

It's challenging the mind is you have to do the work to get there because all this stuff, it's just like weightlifting, everything we're talking about is just, it's all repetition. Even the relaxation is repetition, and, and it's also interval training, because essentially, you can't push yourself to just go all the time. You have to give yourself the intervals and the ideally on a best practice, you know schedule. What works for your body, your weight, your lifestyle of getting that, a bring that Training into allowing yourself to relinquish.

CK LIN 23:03
So you are a fan of disciplines and habits.

Absolutely. As you know, I eat every two and a half, three hours four to six times a day to physical food to interval training on tablets, you know, I will do my best to do to do certain training certain at the same time each week. You know, if I'm doing something on a daily basis, I see my routines I'm like, cool, how can I work? My lifestyle and how can I, if I'm training for a competition, it becomes very regimented. If it's more me, you know, shifting into new stages in life and then getting getting acclimated, then new plateau and then making adjustments from there. I will, each season will have its own structure.

But I think your original question is discernment. Right? And I think the trading discrimination is one of the things that We're here to do well, what's that? Oh, so that comes from my I grew up under an Indian guru and that comes from my teacher my teacher. discrimination between being able to tell the difference of between what is personal what is morally right and wrong for you. Yeah. what feels right inside now versus and how you're, how it feels when interacting with the outside. And that's why I talked about push and so it pushes. Because when you start to get sensitive to two things about types of questions, and this relates directly to the to training discrimination. One year, you're slowing yourself down to speed up your perception of weight distribution, of breath control, of maintaining posture, posture under pressure and redirecting that pressure toward a goal. And I go for you and your partner, because these are all partner drills is essentially to push them just to the edge of lowering their, with their, their center of gravity and, and to the edge of their balance. So they learn how to again do the same thing, maintain posture, redirect pressure back to you, you can take it so you're going back and forth.

CK LIN 25:24
And so the goal is not to destroy them.

And so when you're doing these drills, and there's a whole like a whole ecosystem, this stuff I found that one of the best ways to train discrimination in a way that that I can I can practically share because other things have to do with my my upbringing my you know, there's there's so there's so relative to my journey and my path it that having a conversation about them could you know It may not be effective or helpful for anyone else to hear. But what I do find effective and helpful for people is to, to get in contact with somebody. And to notice that there's, there's there are similarities in the amount. Every piece of tension in the body is connected to emotion. It's connected to stress of various types. And and how do you and when you start to recognize the pattern between people and how you deal with pressure from particular people, you start to build a knowledge base. And it's, it's built into your muscle memory, it's built into you feel it, you know it. And then when you learn what to do, and identify your goals, your personal goals, maybe you maybe the way you play push hands even though you know, I was just saying that you don't not supposed to push the person completely. Be over the edge. Maybe you like to test people a little bit more. And that's okay, if that's your thing, because then you're going to get to somebody else eventually, who knows how to deal with you. And then you're going to have to figure out how to deal with them. And you may want to rethink your strategy. And it's that process of consistently refining yourself by playing with multiple people and dealing with pressure from multiple people, and the amount of strength you get. And so you know, there's, when I say holistic, athletic, there's all these massive health benefits from doing this stuff. But then you also get ridiculously strong and flexible in ways that most people are not flexible, and I may not be able to do a full split, but my waist is incredibly, incredibly flexible and incredibly strong. And it's uncommon strength. So

CK LIN 27:48
I can see you get it from uncommon movement,

it's just that you know, most people are trading that stuff. This is this stuff. Most people aren't trading this stuff, therefore, they don't know what we're new. So the, it's uncommon only by this point in time and therefore eventually it will become common. And then you know, we'll just have 10 years ago, MMA was not where it is today. And now I feel like the general person on the street journal kid, you know, knows how to fight a little bit, put someone in a choke, and it's a different landscape like it's the general collective consciousness understands combat, I think, to a greater degree now in terms of playing the sport combat. Then they did a decade ago. Yeah. So and you know that that's just me pointing up, fights on Instagram. And just seeing like, oh, wow, that kid just took out the kid. That just happened in the middle of street. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. For years ago, you'd see guys swinging right, you don't see that. You see the blue sea best practices. So eventually these best practices will bleed into those Yeah, and we'll have more efficient fighters will have more efficient athletes so we have more efficient people because it changes the way you walk the street and how you deal with people how you talk to people. And and I but I think that that, that how you talk to people how you deal with people aspect of it. I do think that it's important to have someone coaching talking about how how this actually relates to lifestyle, because, you know, there's like I said, Josh has gotten a lot of lot of negativity from the Tai Chi community in the US and very well respected outside the US.

Because of, you know, him being I guy in his 20s, who just started Tai Chi, you know, a few years ago and beating all the Masters Tournament. Because he had a background in long form pattern recognition from chess, you know, being this this chess prodigy. So he was playing a game that they didn't know how to play. He was perceiving and seeing a different way. And so and you know, and he would do he and Dan would go through every weight class, they the US tournament circuit, the major tournament circuit, Ban people from doing that after Josh and Dan, why? Because

CK LIN 30:28
ban people from moving from weight class going into...

competing in every weight class so Joshua would compete in every weight class that is so and winched all the way class and

CK LIN 30:37
it's so interesting because that essentially make it less competitive. no?

making it less competitive because of the so you're putting more restriction on the putting more restriction on it and I I'm not sure if they've lifted that since but, you know, it's it's if you really know how to deal with pressure Doesn't matter how big the person is or how small nothing to say that it doesn't have an effect on, it's not a variable. It's it's absolutely a variable. Sure. But, you know, because of Tai Chi, I'm not scared of a 283 pound dude running me, right? You know, and it's because I dealt with that right? Many times.

CK LIN 31:21
So so so actually On that note, let me ask you this, in terms of, because you were now venturing into picking your opponents, the appropriate quote unquote, opponent. So some school thought is, doesn't matter. You can learn from everyone even if your skill levels and quite there you can still learn, you know, if it's a skill level is like zero to 100, then you just compete with some like a crush, right? And then a school of thought is let's make sure that you match up with people who is similar in skill level. So you don't feel crushed the spirit spiritually. What's your take on picking the right opponent for that maximum learning,

so you're talking to the guy who who's, I got my ass kicked so much. And I run to go get my ass kicked. I'm like, I'd run right to it. Okay. So I have a perspective that I may not throw every book. Actually, you know, I might people on my team, I kind of throw them into this. But I do think that when you're in the process of getting to a place of when you need to absorb as much as possible because that's not always the case like your different seasons require different behaviors.

So in the seasons when, when I knew I needed to, to grow in particular ways as much as possible, I would put myself and against the toughest people I could, as often as I could. My dad and I when we got recruited onto the team from Josh which is which is a fun story that I'm happy to share. But um you know, we got our ass kicked for three and a half months like straight, like we were just sore we were getting thrown on the ground. And, you know, we were the first outsiders pulled onto the team that weren't from the William cc Chen school because we move differently you know, we came from we style Tai Chi they did a reverse breathing young style. It's very, very rare. And I love that you know, I love I love the the learning curve, if you're if you're willing to put in the time and analyzation to figuring out what's going on. Why are you Why are you losing so much

CK LIN 33:44
so you actually train yourself to enjoy the process? Yeah, absolutely. Which which is actually extraordinary because most people don't enjoy losing, enjoy winning. I think I was one of the internet personality. Grant Cardone, he said you learn more from winning. You don't you don't learn more from losing, which is an interesting statement. I was like, Oh, that's interesting thought that you think otherwise, actually.

Well, I mean, again, this is it's such a personal personal journey. I think that when it comes to you know, people, one of my older students were my father's older students. I took over our classroom him few weeks ago, and this Okay, yeah, that's fine. She were doing the the single arm push hands exercise, and she was saying, hey, this guy's putting a he's not moving this way when I turned him and saying all this stuff, and I'm like, Well, I stopped the whole class and why everyone look at this for a second. And I'm like, so you're saying that he needs to change his behavior for you to be able to do what you want to do. Okay, so you're giving him the power. It's up to You to figure out how to deal with him. And if you want to ask me a question, the question should be, how do you deal with this? rather than make this guy change

CK LIN 35:12
Rather complain about it?

Yeah, yeah, complaining about his band, right. So which is, again, push hands, I feel like you can see. And this is, this is again, this is my art. So I assume people from other arts that are that have attained a certain level of perspective can see this as well in their own art with for whoever they're guiding, but you can see every type of personality in this and by what they say what they do, how they do it,

CK LIN 35:41
How they do everything. Yeah.

Okay, so she's this type of person. But the great thing is that because the principles are so clear, the principles bring you back to the space of trading a very particular type of discrimination. So by guiding her to say hail, you know, keep your arm out longer and turn him earlier, which was the solution, like keep your arm out longer so that you maintain a mid range distance and turn him earlier. Now she's getting, she's getting it. So she's making the change now Now she knows how to deal with a person in the size that is, is is putting more pressure on her. So and how does that? I mean, now we're talking about lateral thinking, but how does that translate to your daily experience in life? So I mean, you have to I think at first and embodied in in one place before

CK LIN 36:36
I got 10 minutes. Okay. Oh, man, there's so much more I can talk to you about Holy shit.

I'm happy to continue the conversation for from New York too

CK LIN 36:51
Yeah, let's do a part two for sure. This has been a very valuable conversation. I hope people who are Really discerning the wisdom that Jan and sharing with us.

I'm perhaps not sure I'm not sure if I maybe you're going to add this beforehand. I didn't really frame. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why don't we Why don't we do that might be helpful because, you know, Tai Chi is is can be considered this ancient Chinese system. And it's it's very much a martial art or was very much developed as a martial art. In the States, it's widely known as I think for anyone over 77 years old or some way that's like the number one way to regain balance. But outside of the states, people all ages do it in Taiwan, especially, you'll see like six year olds doing Tai Chi, you know, the China and China and Taiwan, but like, kids start young and they're doing push hands and like, you know, my buddy, Tony shoshanna, their coaches, grade schoolers and high schoolers and they're all doing this and it's a safe, fun way to manipulate the space control like wait, honestly How to claim space. slow yourself down and speed up your perception of time. So, again, I liken it to mindful wrestling because it's, you know, you're moving slow at first and then when you start doing the sports stuff becomes more competitive, more athletic. But it's it's one of my favorite things to share. And by focusing for so long on this, my parents both trained in Tai Chi and my father, you know, helped to coach the US team with me and it's got several goals and I think two bronze World Cups but several goals as well you're like in it's gonna make the whole world better.

CK LIN 38:45
I feel it. Yeah. I'm thanks for sharing your passion. I really feel it. So for those and then So for part two, part three, I love to just talk about the how it translate to life in general. Sure. business or relationships because I truly believe how you do one thing is how you do everything and by learning how you manipulate space movement, gravity, you know, and working with other people. It as you said, the the the ramification of knowing this art is making the world a better place. Yeah, right. But we'll leave that, you know, a little teaser for its part two.

Yeah, I'll add to that teaser that the formula. Joshua's formula for the book that he shared with me was that he would train and he I think he says this in the book, but I'm that his training with fuel is writing for the book, The Art of learning. And his writing would fuel deeper breakthroughs in his training. And as a mixture of that comments, and a formula for mastery that he taught me were like, you take one technique, break it down into parts, train those parts and then put it back together. Now you've mastered that technique. those two together helped me to craft a formula for my business and my life. That essentially called like a transmedia trifecta that I've done tons of consulting on to essentially bring the relationship between intellectual property the cooperation of the governance, the stakeholder, body, and artists that embody this in these IP of the vehicle for and whether that's an artist or a character or person or personality. So there's, there's a way that you can leverage I've directly leveraged taiichi principles into like business formulas. Yeah. And, you know, with with very measurable results, so I feel like that's me applying it in my life. Yeah. How do you apply it in your life? Right, you know, yeah. And these formulas, again, when it comes to lexicon and breaking things down saying this is this, this is not bad that is that when we have a shared language like that, then we can start to have, then research is not repeated. You can actually look at someone else's research and say, Okay, well look cool, I can bring that on. Okay, and now we've leveled up together. Otherwise, everyone's going to keep on researching the same things and think that their breakthrough is something you know, that hasn't already been done before. And now we're still stuck in the stone age's. So

CK LIN 41:30
one of my special superpower is the ability to assimilate knowledge knowledge base from different fields. So that's one of my favorite, one of my passion. And one of the hints this conversation actually came out of that curiosity and desire and passion for that. So let's finish this. For those people who are inspired to learn more about Tai Chi, specifically movement, Tai Chi Is there a place that they can go to Is there a DVD program at Digital?

JAN LUCANUS 42:03 or JansTaiChi on Instagram Yeah, and all the stuff that we're doing with the new team out of New York, you'll find, you know, that's you can google us on our YouTube us, because we have a channel sports tie to push hands channel, if you're interested in the sport, but, you know, I focus on on training with with high performance athletes with with CEOs with just top players in their field. Like my one of my top students is a is a prodigy pianist, you know, and she's a beast, and she's throwing grown men, you know, across the room, and it's because she puts in the work and she understands the work ethic that it takes to become world class. And that's You know, I?

CK LIN 43:03
How do you define world class by the way,

competing on the world stage, I'd say it's simple as that when you show up, when it takes a lot to show up, it's amazing how many people don't show up and you know, to show up and then actually be able to stand because it the training to get there, it's there all these layers of hesitation and intimidation that you have to get through as a person to go to the top of anything. And you know, I think when you kind of get past that it's like, oh, wow, the top here it's so small and so many people from other places are here to you know, it's like the top of your art top someone else's similar actually. So, you know, once you get there, what do you do? And if if the answer at least, for me, if the answer is not help other people get there and build a new, you know, make the top the new standard. Then that's interesting, because then we can start building stuff on top of that.

CK LIN 44:06
Thanks so much for being here. Really, really appreciate I mean, you really articulate so beautifully. This is the reason why I want to do this kind of podcast, I want to interview master of the of their domain, I want them to share some of the their own journey, their their, their their mental model and the daily disciplines that they do such that other people will listening who aspire to achieve mastery of their own right in their own domain can say, oh, wow, you know, I could try the song and turn that on. I can try this mental model. So thank you so much for being here. All right.

Unknown Speaker 44:37
I love you man. I'm so happy to have finally connected in person could heard so much good about you. And this just this whole week of, of, you know spending some quality time and it's just awesome. And it's kindred spirit, kindred spirit, a lot of love for you. Yeah, thank you. I'm just very, very, very, very happy to be alive in this moment.

CK LIN 44:57
Thank you.

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